Is it finally over??

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Ixoziel wrote:

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ghamadvar wrote:

I repeat myself: D3 and POE are like goalkeeper and forward. Same team and sport, different tasks. The dividing element of D3 and POE are the target-groups this games are made for. D3 does not want to make POE-players happy or is not made for them. Therefore, comparisons made, especially here, are quite pointless. It is no surprise to me, that D3-fans don't really get into POE and vice versa. Or that people who love both games play them situationally. D3 is for the rush. POE is for the grind.

You simply cannot say that D3's simplicity is better or worse than POE's complexity. You cannot say that the graphics in D3 are better or worse than those in POE. And so on. Even arguments like "adding content", "community management" and stuff don't fit. The companies behind this games are too different. Comparing GGG's community-management to Blizzard's is just unfair. And this works in both ways. GGG simply cannot do stuff Blizzard does. And Blizzard cannot do stuff GGG does. GGG just made one game. So even the bullshit argument "blizz killed the d3-vanilla-version" does not count. GGG did not have the opportunity yet to kill POE2 ;)
So: What can we compare? Nothing. In my opinion. Both are awesome games made by awesome companies. True gaming companies that brought us so much joy and fun. That's it. All this elitarism, trolling, black-and-white-thinking is just a joke.

Short: There is no proper way to do a comparison.

So: It's like comparing Messi and Neuer. Sorry if i sound like a broken record. But i really see it this way.

But i am really looking forward to the day when somebody convinces me that i am wrong ;)

No, they're not like "same sport, same team." Not at all. Comparing the individual classes within PoE would classify as "same sport, same team, different player". Comparing the modes, even

But PoE / D3 are like the same sport, DIFFERENT TEAMS. they're the same type of game (sport) with different teams (developers) that do things differently (game concepts).

"You cannot say that d3's simplicity is better or worse than PoE's complexity." This, obviously is more subjective than objective, but I don't play action RPGS for simplicity. If I wanted simplicity I would play an action game that's actually good at the action, like Dishonored, DotA 2, or an FPS game. However, even ACTION games have complexity. If you look at fighting games, some CLEARLY have more complexity than others. Some take ages to learn. But an Action RPG shouldn't be LESS complex than the game that PRECEDED it.

"You cannot say that d3's graphics are better or worse than PoE's graphics." Yes, you can. It's very, very easy to compare graphics objectively. D3 has better graphics. That's a fact. Now is the ART STYLE better? That's debatable, because that's based on taste.

You want to know why people hate it? Because they ruined a perfectly good franchise by dumbing it down for lowest common denominator. It's the same reason that fans of Dragon Age: Origins hated Dragon Age: 2. It's the same reason that Final Fantasy XIII is considered the worst game in the franchise. It's the same reason that many WoW players who loved vanilla / TBC hate the later expansions. Because they're becoming more simple and easy to play. Fans of the series want ADVANCEMENT, MORE mechanics, MORE complexity, yet these gaming companies are basically becoming famous off of early games, then attempting to milk the later ones for money by dumbing them down for the masses.

I enjoyed D2, didn't play much of it. I played torchlight for a while. I was never big on action games because they tend to be very repetitive, I much prefer turn-based strategy, RPGs, and MOBAs. I played D3 and it was awful. The game servers didn't even work for the first couple of weeks. it had a TON of stuff missing from previews of the game. Melee were completely unviable in inferno for the first few months. I had friends that played demon hunters farming act 3/4 inferno while I had 3x as much gear and couldn't progress because I had to put myself in danger to damage anything.

There's no customization. The story is the worst piece of trash I've ever witnessed.

D3 and POE do, indeed, have different strategies, but much like teams in REAL sports, they're DEFINITELY comparable.

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Zhatan wrote:

The main reason this isnt brought up anymore is because both game failed pretty hard in the end. None of them will ever become the new D2.

Nowday there isnt even enough ppl here or there to argue about it.

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ghamadvar wrote:

And as soon as the word "hate" comes up, i am out. People who hate things are never rational. And the argument of "milking" fans is just plain old. EA and Ubisoft? Yes. Definitely. Blizzard? Nope, sorry. ROS was an improvement. Patch 2.3 is a HUGE improvement. They changed people in charge, they LISTENED to the fans. I don't know what you people expect. D3 vanilla was disappointing, yes. But this is history. Now, D3 becomes more and more the game it should be. .

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TheWretch wrote:

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Zhatan wrote:

The main reason this isnt brought up anymore is because both game failed pretty hard in the end. None of them will ever become the new D2.

Nowday there isnt even enough ppl here or there to argue about it.

No. Both are huge successes. D2 still exists if that's what you want to play and they even reset the ladders if you're that into it. I didn't want a re-skinned D2, with D3 or with PoE.

Go back and play D2 today and then tell me with a straight face it still holds up. Nostalgia has a funny way of messing with your memory.

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Jojas wrote:

To a certain extent you're right, of course. D3's simplicity does not have to mean it's worse than PoE, and so on. But it's a mistake to assume that, just because some elements of a game come down to personal preference, they cannot ever be compared.

How many dissatisfied players of D3 do you think have tried out PoE? How many D3 players who are just being curious of the genre have tried it? Or watched some videos of it?
And vice versa? And how many have returned to their original game? How many have stayed?
Probably lots, for all questions.
And the reason for that is that the games are so alike, and the differences so few. Most people here have played D3, and most of them probably extensively. And most likely most D3 players have at least watched some videos of PoE. It's not like you're comparing them to text adventures.
And taking your example of Messi and Neuer, you cannot really say the same thing about forwards and goal keepers. Goalies and forwards dabbing into one thing, then the other, then back again is almost unheard of. Your analogy really does not hold up.

So if there are two games where the similarities by far outweigh the differences, why not compare them? Like, "If you don't like comic-book style graphics, you probably won't like the graphics of D3, but maybe PoE's.", or, "If you don't like trading and/or grinding, PoE is probably not the game for you, but maybe D3." And so on.

A comparison doesn't necessarily have to come to the conclusion that one game is better than the other, all it has to do is what the word says: Take the singular elements of both games and compare them.

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TheWretch wrote:

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ghamadvar wrote:

And as soon as the word "hate" comes up, i am out. People who hate things are never rational. And the argument of "milking" fans is just plain old. EA and Ubisoft? Yes. Definitely. Blizzard? Nope, sorry. ROS was an improvement. Patch 2.3 is a HUGE improvement. They changed people in charge, they LISTENED to the fans. I don't know what you people expect. D3 vanilla was disappointing, yes. But this is history. Now, D3 becomes more and more the game it should be. .

Nailed it.

To answer your question, I go through different periods where i'll play one over the other. I've put more time into PoE in total though.

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ghamadvar wrote:

There will also never be a Barry Sanders again.