Suddenly Dying (Hardcore) issue for anyone?
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Honestly speaking, I have played for over 1000 hours and don't have a single one of the problems. The only ones I have really are desyncs with atziri while using whirling blades, but I know I'm using a desync pron skill, so I'm ok with that. A majority of my deaths in mapping are either because of a particularly dangerous map boss, or me going YOLO and opening an unid strongbox with another exile or beyond boss nearby
Sure, the lab can be hard, but it's pretty easy if you're properly geared, and not terrible at the game.
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" You must come from diablo 3... Even in diablo2 death was imminent just as it often is in Path of Exile: Stygian dolls Gloams MSLE Bosses Fana spear throwers etc. This is hardcore, and you are supposed to die. I can only agree on that it would be fun to see what killed you and how much damage by having a combat log - the rest is good as it is. | |
" This. If you are always suddenly dying, chances are you aren't building a character that is both tanky enough, and prepared for lots of situations. For example, I'll use my elemental Incenerator that I used to finish top20 and win a demigod last 1MHC league. That character had the following for defenses. 5,700 hp 280/second hp regen 79/79/83 resists Level 20 Arctic Armour 40% Dodge 46% Spell Dodge 6L cloak of flame (full 20% phys reduction due to AA) Dual curse CWDT: Enfeeble + Warlords Mark (leech) Standard cwdt immortal call setup Taste of Hate flask Now yes, this character is exceptionally tanky. You may not be able to build your character with as many defensive options as mine has due to things like skill tree location. The point is, you need to put in as many passive defenses as possible, because eventually something crazy is going to surprise you, like an enormous pack of Spirit Walker Devourers, and just 1 extra defensive layer could be what saves you. Last edited by Nerdicide on May 22, 2015, 3:11:17 PM
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" I hate you for reminding me of these. And of why I came to hate Diablo 2 in general. That game hated melee with a passion. And I recall gloams mostly being a problem because the +resists quest reward was bugged so that once you died you no longer actually got the boost. Still, evil bastards that seemed to just ignore super-high capped resists and absorbs, etc. There wasn't really a defense for these other than to just not be there. |
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" Did gloams shoot lightning that pierced and could 1 shot you without resistance? Dolls ofcourse I remember and will never forget. Years ago, I was grinding like crazy on day 1 after a ladder reset. It was a blizzard sorc, hardcore ofcourse, and I was one of the top sorcs at the time of this encounter. My group was ready to start doing NM Baal runs, and it was my job to teleport down to the throne room, and put up a TP. I had just entered the last level, and saw a pack of mobs right next to me, and instinctively casted my blizzard. I had forgotten that mobs from earlier acts could spawn there, and indeed it was a pack of dolls. I instantly ripped to their death explosions, on our very first nightmare Baal run... Last edited by Nerdicide on May 22, 2015, 4:12:57 PM
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" They'd shoot you from off-screen, too. |
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" Okay, see, you've nearly stumbled onto the salient point here. It's on you to do all that for yourself. You had the chance, but you didn't have the foresight to prevent it. That's really all there is to it. That awareness and level of preparedness is the measure of skill here. Auras and shrines are obvious tells. Blue mobs are easy to pick out visually, as are yellows. You can defuse a lot of dangerous combinations simply by pulling pieces of packs out to yourself, reading it then choosing to commit or not. Here's an incomplete list of things to pay attention to: - Allies Have Increased Physical Damage (aura -- strong visual tell) - Allies Have Substantially Increased Physical Damage (aura -- strong visual tell) - Allies Have Increase Critical Chance and Accuracy (aura -- strong visual tell) - "Deadly" affix (Powerful Crits) - "Savage" affix (Increased Damage) So a Deadly pack that you let get up on you being boosted by a Allies Have Substantially Increased Physical Damage is dangerous. But it's otherwise laughable if you pull off the mobs a few at a time and the aura is quite visible. Individually those pieces don't one-shot you. (Although mobs with strong gap closing skills can make that difficult. Which is why Devourers are so universally loathed.) While such combinations are relatively rare, they're also inevitable if you play long enough. And it's what will kill you. The other 99% of instances don't matter. Sometimes that aura is boosting a bunch of whites, with the yellow having no other damage scalars. So you ignore it that one time and steamroll it with nary a backward glance, thinking nothing of it. And you lull yourself into complacency. Don't do that. Carelessness, drunkenness or fatigue can also cause you to overlook the obvious. So can pushing down that instinct of dread that tells you something is a bad idea, whether because of peer pressure or simple bravado. Listen to your instincts. It's a wiser voice than your pride, greed or sense of obligation. If you've ever played Spies in TF2 and gotten good at it, other players perceive you as something that just strikes suddenly out of nowhere. That's just an illusion. The whole point is that they let the opportunity to stop you pass them by, because they are ignorant/lazy and you are not. There's nothing sudden about their loss. It only looks sudden because they were never thinking about the Spy in the first place. Knowledge really is power. But few people truly believe it or act upon that belief. You really can't know the depth of your own ignorance until you have the proper perspective to know better. Last edited by DeviantLightning on May 22, 2015, 7:58:53 PM
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" It's always easy to say such things if you don't give any argument... You asked something and he simply answered to try and help you. That being said, every streamer I've seen dying, died because they were careless, didn't have good enough gear for the level of maps or due to desync/glitches. And PoE is specifically designed to be able to burst down any character. So your first point will probably never be implemented because this is not how GGG sees their own game as far as I know. I would however really really really like to have a death recap. Sometimes there is just so much going on, I have no clue what actually hit me that hard and which debuffs I was having at the time. This would be also very good for newer players trying to learn the game. It's pretty hard to start reading the debuffs in the upper left corner while fighting for your life for example. " And with 10 at the time with piercing lightning. Even the Necro wasn't safe from them. Great PoE utilities!
Aura Calculator: https://poe.mikelat.com/ Vorici Chromatic Calculator: http://siveran.github.io/calc.html One-shot calculator: https://goo.gl/IJhYDx | |
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Only one thing i would like to have on HC is a log. To think of it knowing how you died is not going to magically bring your character back to life but somehow it makes pain easier.
You have died to [Haast, Unrelenting Frost] damage taken [6190(Critical)] from source [Ice Spear] | |
" ROFL. Would be hilarious to see your hp drop to 0 because of that. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1394759 - Suggestion for beginner tutorial.
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