Righteous Fire
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hi,
a couple questions: 1) is damage buffed by both Fire Damage nodes and Burning Damage nodes, or just Fire Damage? also, does this apply to both damage output and self-degen? 2) does Elemental Proliferation work with RF? it should, according to the gems' keywords, but you never know in Path Of Exile :) 3) does taking the Inner Force node make sense, or is it actually harmful to do so with RF? Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
Shadow: That was fun |
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1. Both fire and burning damage. Elemental damage too! This only applies to enemy damage, it won't increase the self-burn.
2. It won't because there's no elemental status effect involved. Righteous Fire doesn't ignite (which is the elemental status effect with causes enemies to burn for 20% of fire damage dealt over 4 seconds), it just makes enemies burn. 3. Depends. It does make you burn more, but if you can handle that and you're making use of the spell damage boost it can be a good idea. Have you done something awesome with [url=http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Sire_of_Shards]Sire of Shards[/url]? PM me and tell me all about it!
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thanks, viperesque.
time to make the most out of my new RF character :) Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
Shadow: That was fun |
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"This isn't the case - Righteous Fire doesn't mention anything about elemental status effects, which are the only things elemental proliferation says it affects - I'm curious as to what gave you this impression? | |
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RF burns burns but it does not ignite, so proliferation does not work.
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" RF gem keywords: fire, spell, AoE. Prolif gem keywords: fire, lightning, cold, support, AoE. As you can see, the keywords match. Also in Prolif's description it says "elemental status effects caused by supported gems, spread to other enemies". The only missing thing here really, is "burn" isn't a status effect. ignite is, and ignite causes burn too. no way to know that, outside WIKI. and if that confused me, you can bet it confuses newer players who have to find this through trial and error. this, and many other gems which should at first glance work together - but don't. or should not - but do. So please spend some effort on improving descriptions, and providing people with more in-game information, guys. Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
Shadow: That was fun |
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Burn is fire damage over time. While ignite does cause burning damage, burning damage cannot be proliferated, just the ignite portion. Igniting can only be caused by "hitting" a mob, and the proper term is on hit-effect. When you kill a mob that is ignited, and you have ele prolife supported, mobs within the radius will be ignited too, which then makes them take burning damage too.
The only way for that happen is that you have to hit something. Righteous Fire does not hit, it only burns. That is all it does. As long a mob get near the AoE of RF, it will just get burned by hit, but still not taking any hit from RF. If the mob steps out of the AoE of RF, it will stop taking burning damage, and is back to normal until it you get in within the AoE again. The day RF can proliferate burn is the day RF can use fire penetration, and I do not see that happening unless GGG tweak the mechanics behind RF to function with on-hit effect as well. :P Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game. - raics, 06.08.2016 Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Feb 23, 2015, 2:46:36 AM
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" Among the first things I tell to newbies here is to try and avoid making any firm conclusions based on gem tags. If a gem has 'AoE' tag, the only thing that's indisputable about it is it will get a level bonus if you put it in an item with '+ level of AoE gems'. And, whenever in doubt - test, this would take a full thirty seconds to test. Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs. ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/balancedux]► ◄[www.moddb.com/mods/one-vision1]► Last edited by raics#7540 on Feb 23, 2015, 3:49:07 AM
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Note some gems with AoE do not get a damage buff from Concentrated Effect, but get the AoE penalty from the said gem.
Ball Lightning, Lightning Arrow, Herald of Thunder... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1394759 - Suggestion for beginner tutorial.
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" But RF doesn't ignite. Since it doesn't apply it through a hit, the burn cannot be proliferated. " So the wiki isn't based on in-game testing to any extent? Sarcasm aside, there are plenty of ways to know. EP only works from skills that cause a status ailment. RF doesn't cause any directly. All it says is that "Enemies burn for..." and "You burn for...", nothing about igniting targets. It applies a degen in the form of burn if an enemy is within the radius. EP says "Elemental Status Effects caused by supported skills spread to other enemies." Now this can mean that RF would spread, but RF does not explicitly state that it applies burn to enemies. It says it burns enemies. Applying a burn implies the burn has a duration. Burning implies it may not have a duration and is dependent on other circumstances. " That's because you, or the others, haven't fully tested and understand the mechanics. Reduced Mana's quality gives "reduced mana cost". While reservation is a type of cost, it is still a reservation and therefor not considered a cost. Thus the quality won't apply to it. |
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