What is and what isn't considered cheating?

Just posting to thank GGG for allowing this dialog.

My question: Is knowingly trading/MPing with someone who cheats considered cheating?

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Koreapsu wrote:

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Bex_GGG wrote:

Chris mentioned in a recent announcement thread that quality of life issues that have been raised recently will be addressed.

I'd assume this will be just behind the trading system in development.

When exactly is hell scheduled to freeze over?

You don't have to play the game. I think they're doing a remarkable job, all things considered.

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BerMalBerIst1 wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Looks like BMBI and Bex have this thread under control.

Have some cookies for maintaining order where order cant be maintained usually.^^

Well, we DO compose a formidable tag-team at times, but on many a day, our chaotic/lawful alignments just do not match up for such collaborations.

Back on topic:

Let your conscience be your guide, my sons

Rules aren't like that. If we leave it up to "conscience" then good people will be hurt. We have rules in place to protect people from damage. Understanding the rules is important too... hence this discussion.

It would be really great if there was a definite answer to some very "case by case" problems. Having a discussion of hypotheticals helps people understand the guiding principles used to define 'cheating'.

Would some sort of overlay be acceptable, if it doesn't modify the client? Like a program that 'sees' the crappy color of currency better than I, then puts bright purple over that spot so I can actually see that shit? Read only stuff? Even if it has to be 'pixel read only'?

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b15h09 wrote:

Would some sort of overlay be acceptable, if it doesn't modify the client? Like a program that 'sees' the crappy color of currency better than I, then puts bright purple over that spot so I can actually see that shit? Read only stuff? Even if it has to be 'pixel read only'?

Well, that is a client modification by definition, right?

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Shagsbeard wrote:

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BerMalBerIst1 wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Looks like BMBI and Bex have this thread under control.

Have some cookies for maintaining order where order cant be maintained usually.^^

Well, we DO compose a formidable tag-team at times, but on many a day, our chaotic/lawful alignments just do not match up for such collaborations.

Back on topic:

Let your conscience be your guide, my sons

Rules aren't like that. If we leave it up to "conscience" then good people will be hurt. We have rules in place to protect people from damage. Understanding the rules is important too... hence this discussion.

It would be really great if there was a definite answer to some very "case by case" problems. Having a discussion of hypotheticals helps people understand the guiding principles used to define 'cheating'.

Is it lonely up there on your cloud of superiority shags?

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Bex_GGG wrote:

Chris mentioned in a recent announcement thread that quality of life issues that have been raised recently will be addressed.

Scuse me, but whaddaya mean recently? Most of these issues have been raised for years. Not to raise a shitstorm, but the wording seems... off.

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aldorus wrote:

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b15h09 wrote:

Would some sort of overlay be acceptable, if it doesn't modify the client? Like a program that 'sees' the crappy color of currency better than I, then puts bright purple over that spot so I can actually see that shit? Read only stuff? Even if it has to be 'pixel read only'?

Well, that is a client modification by definition, right?

Not at all. The client wouldn't be touched. A program like autoit could easily read the pixels on the screen without a glance at the memory. Not sure if autoit could render the new graphic on a separate window that resides above the PoE window, but I'm sure something could be figured out.

EDIT: Actually, looks like it could. https://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/docs/libfunctions/_GDIPlus_GraphicsDrawImage.htm

Might be neat to play around with building a crude loot filter. All the white and blue garbage would still be there, but at least currency and 3l R-G-Bs could be highlighted.

Actually a bit curious about this now. How does GGG feel about a [Removed by Support] that works strictly off pixel reading, and contains no automation in regards to the client itself? Could display a big "ALT+F4!!!" across your screen if the image of the life bar matches what you have in your library, but it wouldn't log you out. Is this acceptable?