Immune to Life Leech

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Natharias wrote:

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Mr_Mustasch wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

Your build has Vaal Pact, is energy shield based, and enemy hits hard. GG.

Your build also has Vaal Discipline, which you activate before killing off these mobs. GG!

Vaal Discipline doesn't have enough souls; you're fucked.

Vaal gems cannot be depended upon. Especially if it is a random encounter.

But as to that point, VD would make you basically immune to anything due to the fact you regenerate what, 33% of your ES per second?

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Crackmonster wrote:

The way you argue it's like anything that poses a challenge to a build it should just go away.

I mean, whatever points could be made, yours come forth like some oblivious agenda.

I know you have an inability to read and actually comprehend what you read - but get his, if you aren't able to kill a single rare monster without leech - than your build is bad, meaning it has general problems due to not being well constructed or being greatly incomplete.

First off, who are you talking to? There is a quote button for a reason. Use it.

Second, it's funny how you attack "how I argue" instead of the contents of my argument. Goes to show that you have no reasonable argument to put forth against it, and since you want to win the argument-or at least continue to argue-you attack the basis of my argument. You then go on to claim that I have an inability to read or comprehend what is posted; quite the contrary, it seems to be you who has this problem, be it due to lack of capacity or lack of care.

Either get on topic and stop with the ad hominem attacks, or don't post. I'm not one to use the "report" function, as I like pointing out what people do and making them look how they act.

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Crackmonster wrote:

By the time you are done aoeing the monster will be 35% hp or less, while you leeched of everything around it. Indeed if you cannot burn that down, your build is bad, it basically means the average rare monster has more defense and damage than you. If one rares whoops your build, then yup, your build is not very strong.

How do you think builds focused around 3-4 curses feel in curse immune maps? Well actually i have been after that before, as i think its too much of a penalty, which is also why here i suggested it being something only rare monsters can roll.

The reason i would like to see immune to leech, is because everything has become too much about leech. It was very apparent about a year ago how everything shifted to leech and they even started shutting down older defenses down as well like curses back then.

That is because leech is the single best method to restore life, energy shield, and mana. It is possible to restore life or ES while also restoring mana, whereas regeneration is much harder to get. Recovery from flasks consumes too many charges for flasks to be a viable option, as CoC is the only build capable of using flasks without worrying about running out of charges. Besides that, there is nothing else.

So unless regeneration and recovery become much better options, or a new option is made, leech should not be limited.

But running into a map where monsters are curse immune with a curse build? That's sheer stupidity. Don't complain about something you brought upon yourself. Reroll the map, sell it, or get a party to carry you through it.

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Crackmonster wrote:

It's funny how much mad you get instead of reading the points, then thinking there were no points because all in your head you can't get over the truthful attacks.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Also it's funny how you repeat what i said, apparently not grasping that i already said it, and it's also funny how you project situations into it that i have explicitly written against, and provided an example for showing how i am against.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Yes to Cannot be leeched.

It should be a rare monster mod, not a champion monster mod.

If your build cannot kill a single rare monster without leech, then your build is extremely bad, or you got a combination of 3-4 affixes that perfectly lock you out with some regen on top, and even then, if it kills you before it, then the build is plain bad. No you cannot kill yourself with reflect on 1 monster before it dies, unless you have minus resistance and 1k hp.

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Crackmonster wrote:

The way you argue it's like anything that poses a challenge to a build it should just go away.

I mean, whatever points could be made, yours come forth like some oblivious agenda.

I know you have an inability to read and actually comprehend what you read - but get his, if you aren't able to kill a single rare monster without leech - than your build is bad, meaning it has general problems due to not being well constructed or being greatly incomplete.

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Crackmonster wrote:

By the time you are done aoeing the monster will be 35% hp or less, while you leeched of everything around it. Indeed if you cannot burn that down, your build is bad, it basically means the average rare monster has more defense and damage than you. If one rares whoops your build, then yup, your build is not very strong.

How do you think builds focused around 3-4 curses feel in curse immune maps? Well actually i have been after that before, as i think its too much of a penalty, which is also why here i suggested it being something only rare monsters can roll.

The reason i would like to see immune to leech, is because everything has become too much about leech. It was very apparent about a year ago how everything shifted to leech and they even started shutting down older defenses down as well like curses back then.

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Crackmonster wrote:

It's funny how much mad you get instead of reading the points, then thinking there were no points because all in your head you can't get over the truthful attacks. Also it's funny how you repeat what i said, apparently not grasping that i already said it, and it's also funny how you project situations into it that i have explicitly written against, and provided an example for showing how i am against.

Much could be said, but not worth the time. Entertaining at least reading this one.

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Crackmonster wrote:

It's funny how much mad I get instead of reading the points, then thinking there were no points because all in my head I can't get over the valid arguments.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Also it's funny how I claim to have said what you said

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Crackmonster wrote:

Much could be said, but not worth the time. Translation: I'm too tired to continue trolling because I can't think of how to troll anymore.quote]

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Peterlerock wrote:

I would love to see such monsters.
Magic, rare, unique boss, map mod, don't care. I take them all.
And yes, I'm playing only life leeching builds.

If you cannot kill a pack of monsters without leeching life, something is wrong with your build.
What pack of monsters could be frightening enough that you cannot deal with them?

And if you cannot kill a pack of monsters that also has reflect without leeching life, then finally there's some challenge in this game.
Finally you need to lure the reflect rare out of the pack, play very careful, or maybe even avoid the pack...

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Peterlerock wrote:

Actually: no.

I have a hard time to imagine a mob that becomes suddenly unbeatbale just because I can't leech from it. Went through the hardest mobs in the game, none of them would be drastically more brutal if this one mechanic didn't work against this one mob.

And even if such a mob exists, I could simply skip it. So what?

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Foewat wrote:

You can't expect that every build can just tank attacks from some hard hitting high hp rare without restoring hp, unless you spend everything on defense, or use mirrored gear.

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Peterlerock wrote:

I would love to see such monsters.
Magic, rare, unique boss, map mod, don't care. I take them all.
And yes, I'm playing only life leeching builds.

If you cannot kill a pack of monsters without leeching life, something is wrong with your build.
What pack of monsters could be frightening enough that you cannot deal with them?

And if you cannot kill a pack of monsters that also has reflect without leeching life, then finally there's some challenge in this game.
Finally you need to lure the reflect rare out of the pack, play very careful, or maybe even avoid the pack...

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Peterlerock wrote:

Actually: no.

I have a hard time to imagine a mob that becomes suddenly unbeatbale just because I can't leech from it. Went through the hardest mobs in the game, none of them would be drastically more brutal if this one mechanic didn't work against this one mob.

And even if such a mob exists, I could simply skip it. So what?