General Discussion - So GGG doesn't give a hoot about botters & cheaters - Forum

" lolbam wrote: who cares what other people are doing as long as you enjoy the game There is reason to care. Since poe is a trading game and you'll have more currency chasing a small number of goods - a legit player has a hard time acquiring good goods because there is hyperinflation from the botting/hacking guys "getting 100-150 exalts a day" as OP states. basic economics. more currency you "print" more costs rise. if you play self found doesnt matter. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:12:31 AM	Posted by Aim_Deep#3474 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:11:11 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: " lolbam wrote: who cares what other people are doing as long as you enjoy the game There is reason to care. Since poe is a trading game and you'll have more currency chasing a small number of goods - a legit player has a hard time acquiring good goods because there is hyperinflation from the botting/hacking guys "getting 100-150 exalts a day" as OP states. basic economics. more currency you "print" more costs rise. if you play self found doesnt matter. If everyone stops caring about the "currency" game then all of the RMT and botters leave because they make no money. But we can't have that can we.	Posted by RagnarokChu#4426 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:22:54 AM Quote this Post
" Aim_Deep wrote: " lolbam wrote: who cares what other people are doing as long as you enjoy the game There is reason to care. Since poe is a trading game and you'll have more currency chasing a small number of goods - a legit player has a hard time acquiring good goods because there is hyperinflation from the botting/hacking guys "getting 100-150 exalts a day" as OP states. basic economics. more currency you "print" more costs rise. if you play self found doesnt matter. think about high runes in Diablo 2 over 6 years of playing i found 1 ohm rune. where do you think all the HRs came from? dupers not even bots could support the HR demand if people dont bot in PoE then 4 month leagues would have to turn in to 6 months or more seeing how more currency pushed in to the market better items are made and crafted im not deffending Cheating in D2 or PoE but theres lot to take in to acc when it comes to it not saying GGG wants the botting/ RMT in there game but if they do find away to be away with the cheats i would see leagues that would last longer or drop rates improve. But knowing GGG they wil never improve drop rates would rather do longer leagues meaning content could be better seeing how they have more time to work on it but at a slower speed Last edited by lolbam#6898 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:31:29 AM	Posted by lolbam#6898 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:31:13 AM Quote this Post
" Syde wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and say right away that CheatEngine works with the game. The game doesn't seem to even have basic protection. How's that for a gem. If they're so concerned with cheating to a point of sacrificing the whole netcode because of it in layman's terms (desync), one would think they'd be more concerned with the myriad of ESP type client side hacks circulating around. that lie about desync being 'for security' is just that - a lie.	Posted by sidtherat#1310 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:33:37 AM Quote this Post
" Worldbreaker wrote: I saw that you can buy the currency at that JSP site for cash. How the fuck isn't that RMT? I could have swore you made a thread saying you were leaving the game forever. Are you back now or what? Standard Forever	Posted by iamstryker#5952 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:38:05 AM Quote this Post
People who spent hundred of bucks for MTX are often the same which are paying hundred of bucks for currency items. Nothing as easy as that. So why should anybody think GGG would blame their dairy cow?	Posted by free_at_last#6839 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:41:59 AM Quote this Post
" sidtherat wrote: " Syde wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and say right away that CheatEngine works with the game. The game doesn't seem to even have basic protection. How's that for a gem. If they're so concerned with cheating to a point of sacrificing the whole netcode because of it in layman's terms (desync), one would think they'd be more concerned with the myriad of ESP type client side hacks circulating around. that lie about desync being 'for security' is just that - a lie. Baseless rhetoric. Actually, the current situation reinforces the desync situation (server/client architecture they currently have). What is being exploited is the client, not the server. Find one exploit/hack that is being abused that is server side? Drops/currency & items are determined server side. Inventory/stash is determined/stored server side. This is why the dup fest of D2 does not exist here. I realize there are ways to detect these programs running but it's very invasive for a company to start scanning memory for other programs. It starts getting into privacy violation territory IMO. Anyway, it's certainly not a lie. I say push more to the server...not less. Thanks for all the fish!	Posted by Nubatron#4333 on Oct 12, 2014, 6:53:28 AM Quote this Post
" Nubatron wrote: " sidtherat wrote: " Syde wrote: I'm just gonna go ahead and say right away that CheatEngine works with the game. The game doesn't seem to even have basic protection. How's that for a gem. If they're so concerned with cheating to a point of sacrificing the whole netcode because of it in layman's terms (desync), one would think they'd be more concerned with the myriad of ESP type client side hacks circulating around. that lie about desync being 'for security' is just that - a lie. Baseless rhetoric. Actually, the current situation reinforces the desync situation (server/client architecture they currently have). What is being exploited is the client, not the server. Find one exploit/hack that is being abused that is server side? Drops/currency & items are determined server side. Inventory/stash is determined/stored server side. This is why the dup fest of D2 does not exist here. I realize there are ways to detect these programs running but it's very invasive for a company to start scanning memory for other programs. It starts getting into privacy violation territory IMO. Anyway, it's certainly not a lie. I say push more to the server...not less. it is a lie. it is a lie beacause desync fiasco is being presented as 'we care for security and integrity so much that we decided to compromise on a gameplay a little'. thats what ggg have said numerous times (using different words but meaning is exact). while desync is a result of designing connectivity for the first time and then having no money/resources/knowledge to fix it. about the security/integrity.. since CB they send entire location at load time (thus allowing undetectable maphacks as the data is there just to be taken), they do not have any form of obvious cheat detection (cheatengine.. ffs) and in general they dont care about rmt nor jsp cross league 'miraculous' wealth transfers. racing has been decided by maphacks since forever. in a 'competetive' game recently TWO high visibility players were banned. one was suspicious since month ago second was so slack as to speak about it in public. and if it wasnt for reddit drama noone would have banned him, too. i guess that after checking jsp more than 50% of current top50 of both ladders would have been banned. but this game cannot afford this kind of purge. most of these are high-level supporters..	Posted by sidtherat#1310 on Oct 12, 2014, 7:00:45 AM Quote this Post
I agree with above post, server side info will prevent these current hacks. For any unforeseen future hacks, they may fix things as they come out. However, there is one thing GGG has to give to client: "Strongbox Monster Assets info" Nobody gives a rat's ass about whether hackers know what monsters will come out or not. This stupid secrecy about strongbox monster assets only annoy people, nothing more. This is the reason for screen freeze and it has to go. /period Last edited by symban#2593 on Oct 12, 2014, 7:04:08 AM	Posted by symban#2593 on Oct 12, 2014, 7:03:13 AM Quote this Post
" it is a lie. it is a lie beacause desync fiasco is being presented as 'we care for security and integrity so much that we decided to compromise on a gameplay a little'. thats what ggg have said numerous times (using different words but meaning is exact). while desync is a result of designing connectivity for the first time and then having no money/resources/knowledge to fix it. about the security/integrity.. since CB they send entire location at load time (thus allowing undetectable maphacks as the data is there just to be taken), they do not have any form of obvious cheat detection (cheatengine.. ffs) and in general they dont care about rmt nor jsp cross league 'miraculous' wealth transfers. racing has been decided by maphacks since forever. in a 'competetive' game recently TWO high visibility players were banned. one was suspicious since month ago second was so slack as to speak about it in public. and if it wasnt for reddit drama noone would have banned him, too. i guess that after checking jsp more than 50% of current top50 of both ladders would have been banned. but this game cannot afford this kind of purge. most of these are high-level supporters.. I'm not sure about you but everyone knows for a fact that the game engine designed by a small game indie company more then a couple years ago would be in fact extremely shitty. The last person they got optimized they game some but he quit, it's apparently really hard to get programmers and coders in Netherlands.	Posted by RagnarokChu#4426 on Oct 12, 2014, 7:05:07 AM Quote this Post