Daggers.. #1 in dps... #1 in crit... #1 in passive tree... am I missing something?

In the weapon search bar of poexyz if you write GG you get daggers. Should be enough to think about for today. :>

I think a reasonable buff to two handed melee would be for them to be able to have 8 mods.
Think about it.

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Chundadragon wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

having a shield alone is huge , forget block, that is SIX MODS that 2 handers dont get, with six mods i could get 40 resist all life or have a chest armors worth of defense .

that kind of stuff is huge . Why does the one build type in the game that has to be in the thick of it , get the least amount of stats?

I'm not arguing about any balance here but you are forgetting the uhhh.. 6 links you can get which 1h users cannot which allows you to use Kaom's Heart without DPS loss.

How expensive is a 6l? a cheap chest? maybe 10 to 15 exalted orbs. on a good 2 hand weapon? 30+ exalted orbs.

Anyone who thinks that 2 handers getting access to 2 6ls is actually a strong point is completely forgetting how impractically expensive getting 6ls are.

it is nothing like finding a shitty 6l chest with crap stats and getting away with it by making up the defense on other gear/ auras.

most of the time you will have to craft that 5/ 6l on to that weapon, at minimum that is going to be 1.5 to 3 times more expensive.


judging by how many 1 hander build there are and how few 2 handers there i , id say people dont care about that second 6l ... at all. and why would they , slap on melee splash or use cyclone and you got a good single target and aoe. or just use molten strike.

6l 2 handers is a red herring at best and a down side at worst.

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battled wrote:

I think a reasonable buff to two handed melee would be for them to be able to have 8 mods.
Think about it.

this wont work for the same reason having a 6l 2 hander isnt practical, because it would be stupid expensive to have those 8 mods to line up .

just give us an off slot item with no links and call it a day already

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

How expensive is a 6l? a cheap chest? maybe 10 to 15 exalted orbs. on a good 2 hand weapon? 30+ exalted orbs.

Anyone who thinks that 2 handers getting access to 2 6ls is actually a strong point is completely forgetting how impractically expensive getting 6ls are.

it is nothing like finding a shitty 6l chest with crap stats and getting away with it by making up the defense on other gear/ auras.

most of the time you will have to craft that 5/ 6l on to that armor, at minimum that is going to be 1.5 to 3 times more expensive.


judging by how many 1 hander build there are and how few 2 handers there i , id say people dont care about that second 6l.

Please. You guys completely forget why daggers are unviable in new leagues.

It's as difficult to get 300 pdps on a dagger as it is to get 450 on an axe.

If you even want to talk about high pdps daggers, you might as well have the decency to include high tier uniques like Kaom's Heart. Otherwise you are comparing 5 ex to 100 ex.

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Chundadragon wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

How expensive is a 6l? a cheap chest? maybe 10 to 15 exalted orbs. on a good 2 hand weapon? 30+ exalted orbs.

Anyone who thinks that 2 handers getting access to 2 6ls is actually a strong point is completely forgetting how impractically expensive getting 6ls are.

it is nothing like finding a shitty 6l chest with crap stats and getting away with it by making up the defense on other gear/ auras.

most of the time you will have to craft that 5/ 6l on to that armor, at minimum that is going to be 1.5 to 3 times more expensive.


judging by how many 1 hander build there are and how few 2 handers there i , id say people dont care about that second 6l.

Please. You guys completely forget why daggers are unviable in new leagues.

It's as difficult to get 300 pdps on a dagger as it is to get 450 on an axe.

If you even want to talk about high pdps daggers, you might as well have the decency to include high tier uniques like Kaom's Heart. Otherwise you are comparing 5 ex to 100 ex.

you are assuming 300 dps dagger = 450 dps 2 hander, you are wrong , 200 dps dagger = 450 dps 2 hander. you dont need a good dagger to beat down a 2hander. not at all.
(hell the guy who was doing 20k dps moltens had a 150 dps dagger vs my 340 dps 2 hander)

and that lack of viability is completely because of demand , not a crafting wall

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Chundadragon wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

having a shield alone is huge , forget block, that is SIX MODS that 2 handers dont get, with six mods i could get 40 resist all life or have a chest armors worth of defense .

that kind of stuff is huge . Why does the one build type in the game that has to be in the thick of it , get the least amount of stats?

I'm not arguing about any balance here but you are forgetting the uhhh.. 6 links you can get which 1h users cannot which allows you to use Kaom's Heart without DPS loss.

Kaoms was severely nerfed with the 1.2 life patch. Legacy's price has been dropping considerably atm.

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Chundadragon wrote:

Please. You guys completely forget why daggers are unviable in new leagues.

It's as difficult to get 300 pdps on a dagger as it is to get 450 on an axe.

Lower your bar a bit and POE.XYZ will be happy to deliver:

http://poe.xyz.is/search/onasehoabitasi

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RogueMage wrote:

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Chundadragon wrote:

Please. You guys completely forget why daggers are unviable in new leagues.

It's as difficult to get 300 pdps on a dagger as it is to get 450 on an axe.

Lower your bar a bit and POE.XYZ will be happy to deliver:

http://poe.xyz.is/search/onasehoabitasi

It isn't looking that good when you filter them properly.
http://poe.xyz.is/search/atorohatugebey

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

you are assuming 300 dps dagger = 450 dps 2 hander, you are wrong , 200 dps dagger = 450 dps 2 hander. you dont need a good dagger to beat down a 2hander. not at all.
(hell the guy who was doing 20k dps moltens had a 150 dps dagger vs my 340 dps 2 hander)

and that lack of viability is completely because of demand , not a crafting wall

One hander for fuck's sake.

450 pdps 2h is vendor-trash. Don't even go there when you talk of 200 pdps daggers, fucking Bino's is 220 and costs about 20 exalts and a 450 pdps 2h is like 1 exalt max.

And get this - rarity is 100% how this game is balanced. See Shavs, Acuities, mirrored gear.

I do agree with Chundadragons posts in the last 2 pages about leg Kaom/2h in std and the cost of daggers in temp leagues/std.

binos is 15-20 ex and has 220 pDPS

kaoms axe is like 420 pDPS and is a few chaos, for 20 ex u can get a 6L 500-550 pDPS 2h. Even tho in the top mirror-able tier daggers probably do take the cake out of all melee, in the 3 months leagues they are viable only on 2nd char, if you were lucky/spent lot of time with the fists one. Theres a big (higher than 2x dps) difference between mid-solid tier 2h and dagger.

But again this is one of the results of the op-nness of daggers.

As a dagger user, I do agree 2h need some love (even other 1h, claws get leech - good for them, maces stun - ok... - maybe more stun for em, swords - crit multy/acc is a bad implicit since almost all go RT sword - change implicit, add interesting nodes). For 2h, range ofc, maybe some interesting notable points and perhaps a support gem (melee dmg with 2h weps - 49/10 like the other 2 melee dmg gems for instance).

I am not sure why GGG buffed the bows so mush in 1.2 and did not even look at 2h. Bows were rly good after giving them 2h added phys and giving harbinger the implicit, they simply did not need any buffs. I will not comment on wands, they were good before, now I hear they are insane (haven't tried yet).