Armor is bad, and it should feel bad.

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Rayvelion wrote:

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Kerchunk wrote:

The ladder seems to indicate that melee are not at a disadvantage.

There is no true melee in the top 20 of the ladder.

Ground Slam doesn't count, EK doesn't count, Lightning Strike doesn't count.

All "melee"s in the top of the ladder are all just ranged skill spammers.

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Ocylix wrote:

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Rayvelion wrote:

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Kerchunk wrote:

The ladder seems to indicate that melee are not at a disadvantage.

There is no true melee in the top 20 of the ladder.

Ground Slam doesn't count, EK doesn't count, Lightning Strike doesn't count.

All "melee"s in the top of the ladder are all just ranged skill spammers.

Melee is using melee skills: http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Melee_Skills

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sgolemanov wrote:

should consider block as mitigation too
with tempest you get 30+% easily

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FacetiousTomato wrote:

I feel like the big issue with melee in this game is that the damage they can usually/often avoid (many spells can be dodged) can be reduced, but that the damage they can't avoid (good luck never getting hit in melee when you can only deal damage in melee) really can't be properly mitigated.

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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FacetiousTomato wrote:

I feel like the big issue with melee in this game is that the damage they can usually/often avoid (many spells can be dodged) can be reduced, but that the damage they can't avoid (good luck never getting hit in melee when you can only deal damage in melee) really can't be properly mitigated.

Whoa is that really how it is? Indeed that's quite backward. Things which you cannot dodge with the mouse should rely on character attributes to mitigate. It's cheap if they cannot be mitigated.

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FacetiousTomato wrote:

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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FacetiousTomato wrote:

I feel like the big issue with melee in this game is that the damage they can usually/often avoid (many spells can be dodged) can be reduced, but that the damage they can't avoid (good luck never getting hit in melee when you can only deal damage in melee) really can't be properly mitigated.

Whoa is that really how it is? Indeed that's quite backward. Things which you cannot dodge with the mouse should rely on character attributes to mitigate. It's cheap if they cannot be mitigated.

That is pretty much how it is. If you look at the spreadsheet in my first post there is a chart comparison of physical vs magical mitigation. With how physical works, in order to reduce a 6k hit to a 3k hit, you would need 72000 armor (not even close to possible from what I'm aware of) but to reduce that same amount of magical damage you'd only need two decent resist all rings.

This wouldn't be a problem if physical damage wasn't so difficult to avoid, but it is.

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grant_m wrote:

I guess this is why it feels like there's no real advantage defensively as a marauder whether I go sword & board or a two hander.

Does a shield provide any useable armour and defence?

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Really? I think your math might be a bit off because when someone else posted a chart about charges and armor defense, in order to defend from 10,000 damage, you'd only need 70,000 armor and 1 endurance charge. (To reduce by 6,400 damage; he was discussing how to reduce the effectiveness of Vall's hammer attacks). With 5 endurance charges something like 40,000 armor was still needed though. So there -is- a problem the devs need to consider fixing, but it's not as bad as your exaggeration indicates.