VictorDoom's 2h Marauder, 7.7k life(no kaoms) huge dps[Uber Killed, with video] [2.0]

Well i used the tree suggested with only one change: i didn't take the Unwavering Stance node, because i remember that this was one of the nodes i didn't use in the previous build (i left it out when i changed from BloodMagic to 2xAuras+Mana around lvl80 i think). I just wanted to see if i can do without it, potentially save a tree point for other stuff.

I will try and post as much info as possible, so other people who are thinking of using the build and have similar gear can see the results:

Info using my previous gear:


Info after some gear/gems changes:


Things that i try to figure out:

-Is HeavyStrike worth keeping? It does makes a difference vs GroundSlam in 1vs1 like Dominus and map bosses, but 95% of the time i use GroundSlam. Could reserve 100% of my Mana without it, also no more need for Mana Leech stat on gear.
What could i use in a 5L if i drop HS?
-Auras/Mana: keep current Hatred/Ash combo and have some Mana "un-utilized"? Use the Herald of Ice for the very small dmg increase? Drop Ash for Determination or something else?
-Maybe use the Reaper's Pursuit on "2nd Weapon inv" to use with ItemRarity and ItemQuantity gems to switch and finish bosses for better loot drops?
-Take the Unwavering Stance node? I didn't get stunned yesterday, but 1K EV is also useless (last time i played i used Iron Reflexes and Grace aura and had around 10K or more Armor).
*For later: what to do with the 4 unused skill points


Still not bad for 1st day back into the game, thanks for the build VictorDoom !

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Monty_The_3rd wrote:

Well i used the tree suggested with only one change: i didn't take the Unwavering Stance node, because i remember that this was one of the nodes i didn't use in the previous build (i left it out when i changed from BloodMagic to 2xAuras+Mana around lvl80 i think). I just wanted to see if i can do without it, potentially save a tree point for other stuff.

I will try and post as much info as possible, so other people who are thinking of using the build and have similar gear can see the results:

Info using my previous gear:

Spoiler

With the gear i posted before (all same -gems and everything) i decided to play a little in Docks (no issues), then i joined a map party, did a few 70-72 and a lvl75 Zana Master map very comfortably, but i died in a lvl72 map with "no Regen" mod.
Then i saw that i was way down on res, and decided to start changing gear.

Stats:
471str/136dex/198int
5.9K Life / 487 Mana / 18 ES
4.2K Armor (6.4K with lvl19 Determination) / 806 EV
440.5 Life Regen
61%fire/56%cold/55%light res and 2% Chaos (didn't check before i got into maps XD)
18.5K GroundSlam (25.3K with lvl20 Hatred)
30.6K Heavy Strike (38.8K with lvl20 Hatred)

Shots for those interested:
http://i.imgur.com/hyCnbST.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kn3FZPo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lsn2LaC.jpg

Info after some gear/gems changes:

Spoiler

Besides the changes needed to max my resistances, i also used the suggested CWDT-EndCry-ImmCall-IncDur 4L, but gems are low lvl for now.
Kept my 2nd CWDT+MoltenShell+IronWill+Enfeeble 4L on my boots.
Also i decided to use Hatred (lvl20) + Herald of Ash (lvl17) for Auras, which helped to offset the loss of DPS when i changed Gloves (no more 13% inc AS mod).

Using one 60% and one 25% man reserved Auras left me with an "odd" amount of mana left, that could only be used by another 25% Herald Aura. I chose the Ice one because the Thunder one needs a very high amount of Int at max lvl (that i have atm but gear might change).
Unfortunately a lvl17 gem i bought makes almost no difference: 0.2K on GS and 0.3K on HS, so there is practically no reason to use the gem :/

Stats:
471str/136dex/198int
5949 Life / 487 Mana / 18 ES
4.2K Armor / 972 EV
440.2 Life Regen
76(95)%fire/75(101)%cold/75(90)%light res and -10% Chaos
with lvl20 Hatred and lvl18 Herald of Ash:
26.8K GroundSlam
40.4K Heavy Strike

199 of 487 Mana left (288 reserved)
Can get to 6211 Life if i change my useless (except the Mana Leech needed for HeavyStrike and the Dex) left ring for the one below

Current Skill tree

Gear:

Shots:
http://i.imgur.com/vMsp5Yx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yJISjKj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a6TahOB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ew5IRN0.jpg

Still work in progress ofc :)

Things that i try to figure out:

-Is HeavyStrike worth keeping? It does makes a difference vs GroundSlam in 1vs1 like Dominus and map bosses, but 95% of the time i use GroundSlam. Could reserve 100% of my Mana without it, also no more need for Mana Leech stat on gear.
What could i use in a 5L if i drop HS?
-Auras/Mana: keep current Hatred/Ash combo and have some Mana "un-utilized"? Use the Herald of Ice for the very small dmg increase? Drop Ash for Determination or something else?
-Maybe use the Reaper's Pursuit on "2nd Weapon inv" to use with ItemRarity and ItemQuantity gems to switch and finish bosses for better loot drops?
-Take the Unwavering Stance node? I didn't get stunned yesterday, but 1K EV is also useless (last time i played i used Iron Reflexes and Grace aura and had around 10K or more Armor).
*For later: what to do with the 4 unused skill points


Still not bad for 1st day back into the game, thanks for the build VictorDoom !

I would replace heavy strike with a vengeance setup, Vengeance-MPD-ADF-Curse on hit-Vulnerability


Third aura should be Haste, you must take a "4% reduced mana reserved" node from the templar area so you can use Haste aura, it much better than herald of ice.


I really suggest you take unwavering stance, even with 9k life you can get stunlocked in this game.


Reapers is a good choice for culling swap, slightly more loot never hurts

Im glad you like the build! :)

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VictorDoom wrote:

I would replace heavy strike with a vengeance setup, Vengeance-MPD-ADF-Curse on hit-Vulnerability


Third aura should be Haste, you must take a "4% reduced mana reserved" node from the templar area so you can use Haste aura, it much better than herald of ice.


I really suggest you take unwavering stance, even with 9k life you can get stunlocked in this game.


Reapers is a good choice for culling swap, slightly more loot never hurts

Im glad you like the build! :)

I will play today without using HeavyStrike, see how it goes.
Haste sounds nice, although 153dex at lvl20 sounds like a lot to get, considering i am already getting 78 from gear (and 44 from skill tree for 122 total)!
I have no experience with the Vengeance gem, is the damage from it "noticeable"? Have you tried MoltenShell, how is the damage compared to that (with or without Iron Will)? Asking for a lot i know XD

New gear setup with Ming's Heart, 75% Chaos res and 32.0K GroundSlam!
Also some Chests comparison (Belly of the Beast, Carcass Jack, 500HP Kaom's):

I think vengeance is a nice trigger for some crazy setups of spells.

But not really as a damage boost, especially for skill like cyclone which is very strong especially as singel target thing.


What do you think about this vaal temple ?

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Monty_The_3rd wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

I would replace heavy strike with a vengeance setup, Vengeance-MPD-ADF-Curse on hit-Vulnerability


Third aura should be Haste, you must take a "4% reduced mana reserved" node from the templar area so you can use Haste aura, it much better than herald of ice.


I really suggest you take unwavering stance, even with 9k life you can get stunlocked in this game.


Reapers is a good choice for culling swap, slightly more loot never hurts

Im glad you like the build! :)

I will play today without using HeavyStrike, see how it goes.
Haste sounds nice, although 153dex at lvl20 sounds like a lot to get, considering i am already getting 78 from gear (and 44 from skill tree for 122 total)!
I have no experience with the Vengeance gem, is the damage from it "noticeable"? Have you tried MoltenShell, how is the damage compared to that (with or without Iron Will)? Asking for a lot i know XD

New gear setup with Ming's Heart, 75% Chaos res and 32.0K GroundSlam!
Also some Chests comparison (Belly of the Beast, Carcass Jack, 500HP Kaom's):

Spoiler

Shots in my brand new Hideout:
http://i.imgur.com/hHxmP8c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SUCwF7P.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5ngnCrA.jpg

Vengeance wont do insane damage but it will make you do more damage overall because of the curse on it vulnerability, molten shell is good.

I would try to get a high flat physical amulet instead of carnage heart and run bloodrage for the life leech, that way you gain dps, life and more life leech.

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BellXIII wrote:

I think vengeance is a nice trigger for some crazy setups of spells.

But not really as a damage boost, especially for skill like cyclone which is very strong especially as singel target thing.

What do you think about this vaal temple ?

Should be doable, you just gotta get endurance charges on tree and increased duration nodes so you can have a big uptime for IC, walk in the boss room with IC on, you will need it.

Sounds dangerous, maybe i will watch some movies, my thoughts are with the funeral of my grandmother so i will try it when i refocus more in few days.

How did you manage to run hatred, haste & herald of ash at the same time ? i tried it with a reduced mana level 21 and still no go =P

Was it the 4% mana reservation node you took in the top left of the tree ?

First of all the previous shots are crap, for some reason the Hideout area is a Normal one, so my res was showing maxed and then got in a map and got my ass handed to me by blue mobs XD

Current max res gear and stats below:

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VictorDoom wrote:

Vengeance wont do insane damage but it will make you do more damage overall because of the curse on it vulnerability, molten shell is good.

I would try to get a high flat physical amulet instead of carnage heart and run bloodrage for the life leech, that way you gain dps, life and more life leech.

I would like to try that because i want to see how i will do without the 10% Life leech also, but i will need to take at least a +30DEX tree node, as Carnage Heart gives +51 to all attributes...
I am already unable to level my Haste gem to lvl13 as is now, the lvl20 Enfeeble gem on the boots i don't care so much about, it can be swapped for a lower lvl one or something else completely.
Plus is gives +18 to all res, back to switching gear again lol (or i could drop the Ming's ring but then i am way down in dmg).
Also BloodRage is (like Haste), a 150+ DEX @lvl20 skill, damn i need DEX!

Going GroundSlam only isn't that bad, but still my dmg seems not that great and i still "miss" the HeavyStrike in boss fights. Also with a 6L Marohi and a Ming's Heart, almost 20/20 gems and 106 points tree, i don't know what else to do to increase my dmg, it does not suck, but i would like some more for sure.

Spend the two tree points and tried my lvl12 Haste (+13% AS) as a third Aura, but the dmg increase isn't that good, even for a lvl12 gem in my non-expert opinion at least:
32.648 DPS without, 34.435 with Haste
That is less that 2K on a 30K+ dmg output, a 5.3% increase. And a lvl20 gem is only +3% AS more, so i am getting most of the dmg increase.
Plus i am left with 5 mana, so i need a BM gem for everything, even a stand-alone Leap Slam, so i got the numbers and then i respec'ed the two nodes.

Spend another 2 nodes and got Amplify, dmg increase is meaningless (32.648 -> 32.988) but the range upgrade is nice, will keep that one for now.

Also the 2nd slot Reaper's Pursuit setup isn't that great, it's kind of hard to switch weapons at the right time (GS's MultiStrike "control" issue doesn't help), plus the difference isn't that great, loot wise i mean.


So i will try and find a +DEX +Life (and +PhysDmg if not too expensive) Amulet to try out replacing the Carnage Heart, see maybe if the Life increase is worth using a Life Leech gem in GS and so dropping in DPS, or if i can do without that (not likely)...

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Sa3r wrote:

How did you manage to run hatred, haste & herald of ash at the same time ? i tried it with a reduced mana level 21 and still no go =P

Was it the 4% mana reservation node you took in the top left of the tree ?

Yeap, that 4% does it. Also try Mikelat's Aura Calculator, makes things easier ;)

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BellXIII wrote:

Sounds dangerous, maybe i will watch some movies, my thoughts are with the funeral of my grandmother so i will try it when i refocus more in few days.

i would post a video of it but im at level 93 with 20% xp and i really dont want to die from a mistake, ill post some difficult boss fights and how to do them at 94

sorry to hear about your grandma dude :(

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Sa3r wrote:

How did you manage to run hatred, haste & herald of ash at the same time ? i tried it with a reduced mana level 21 and still no go =P

Was it the 4% mana reservation node you took in the top left of the tree ?

Hey, you dont need a level 21 reduced mana, you just need a level 20 reduced mana and the 4% reduced mana reservation node, this allows you to run exactly 2 60% auras and hearld of ash

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Monty_The_3rd wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

Vengeance wont do insane damage but it will make you do more damage overall because of the curse on it vulnerability, molten shell is good.

I would try to get a high flat physical amulet instead of carnage heart and run bloodrage for the life leech, that way you gain dps, life and more life leech.

I would like to try that because i want to see how i will do without the 10% Life leech also, but i will need to take at least a +30DEX tree node, as Carnage Heart gives +51 to all attributes...
I am already unable to level my Haste gem to lvl13 as is now, the lvl20 Enfeeble gem on the boots i don't care so much about, it can be swapped for a lower lvl one or something else completely.
Plus is gives +18 to all res, back to switching gear again lol (or i could drop the Ming's ring but then i am way down in dmg).
Also BloodRage is (like Haste), a 150+ DEX @lvl20 skill, damn i need DEX!

The thing is you dont lose 10% life leech because you will run bloodrage, which gives 10% life leech at level 20 and 20% qual, so you have the same leech but better dmg and life(even more leech if you use enhance with bloodrage)

It does require a pretty good amulet, but its worth it, you can also use some points to get dex on tree.

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Monty_The_3rd wrote:

Going GroundSlam only isn't that bad, but still my dmg seems not that great and i still "miss" the HeavyStrike in boss fights. Also with a 6L Marohi and a Ming's Heart, almost 20/20 gems and 106 points tree, i don't know what else to do to increase my dmg, it does not suck, but i would like some more for sure.

Spend the two tree points and tried my lvl12 Haste (+13% AS) as a third Aura, but the dmg increase isn't that good, even for a lvl12 gem in my non-expert opinion at least:
32.648 DPS without, 34.435 with Haste
That is less that 2K on a 30K+ dmg output, a 5.3% increase. And a lvl20 gem is only +3% AS more, so i am getting most of the dmg increase.
Plus i am left with 5 mana, so i need a BM gem for everything, even a stand-alone Leap Slam, so i got the numbers and then i respec'ed the two nodes.

Spend another 2 nodes and got Amplify, dmg increase is meaningless (32.648 -> 32.988) but the range upgrade is nice, will keep that one for now.

Also the 2nd slot Reaper's Pursuit setup isn't that great, it's kind of hard to switch weapons at the right time (GS's MultiStrike "control" issue doesn't help), plus the difference isn't that great, loot wise i mean.


So i will try and find a +DEX +Life (and +PhysDmg if not too expensive) Amulet to try out replacing the Carnage Heart, see maybe if the Life increase is worth using a Life Leech gem in GS and so dropping in DPS, or if i can do without that (not likely)...

Well the thing about the damage is that marohi can only do so much, it pretty much tops out at around 35-40k, it is in no way BiS for a slammer, you cant really do much more than that even with amazing gear, if you want to get super high groundslam dps you pretty much have to buy a really good rare mace