[1.0.x - NEM/HC] The Dreidel - The Spinning Budget Duelist



Hi everyone, I made this build with some inspiration from other duelist spinning builds. The only issue with their build was: the price. Their builds relied on bringer of rains (7+ ex) and expensive shields. I decided,to hell with it, I'm going self-found and whatever gear I find I'm going to use (until I find a bringer myself of course!). I've been able to solo 70-71 maps with relative ease.

Pros:

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• High survivability
• High map clearing potential
• Cheap, cost effective, can be self-found but can also use high-end gear when found/bought
• Never boring
• Only keeps getting better and stronger as your character progresses!
• Cannot be shotgunned by mobs!
• Easy to hit more than 6000 life & 10k armor with this build!!


Cons:

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• Temp chains map along with chilled ground maps can be annoying (doable, but slow)
• Vulnerability is a bitch
• Makes you want to YOLO sometimes - I spin into massive rooms of monster just to see if I'll survive sometimes
• Corrupted blood is a bitch - cyclone + double strike w/ multi focus on many smaller hits, which can be an issue with corrupted blood.
• While the build can be done self-found, it's going to be slow, as cyclone is dependant on a 5-6 link for late game
• Prone to desync (there is a sort of work-around - check bottom of this post!)


Gems/Linking:

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• [Cyclone] - [Life on Hit] - [Blood Magic] - Melee Physical Damage] - [Concentrated Effect] - [Added Fire Damage]
• [Double Strike] - [Life Leech] - [Blood Magic] - [Multistrike] - [Faster Attacks]
• [Cast on Damage Taken] - [Decoy Totem] - [Temporal Chains] - [Enduring Cry]
• [Reduced Mana] - [Grace] - [Anger] - Whatever ability you want
• [Leap Slam] - [Blood Magic] - [Faster Attacks] - [Devouring Totem] (for getting places quicker + disposing of skeletons/no regen maps)



Bandit Rewards:

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• Normal - Oak (love dat 40 hp)
• Cruel - Oak OR skill point
• Merciless - Oak (more damage mitigation - puts you at 7 endurance charges = 24% damage mitigation with this build, and on top of your armor and grace, it's easy to hit 70%+ reduction)


Leveling:

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• Check out the act 1 vendor, buy a 2 handed maul and try to transmute/alt/augment it to have + dmg and life on hit. Grab Sweep, get 5-6 monsters (or more if you're ballsy) to surround you, sweep and repeat. This can be used all the way up to 40.

• Alternatively, you can use Spectral Throw

• Get cyclone as a quest reward, and try it out. At the start, it's extremely mana-intensive, and not as strong as it is late game. Opt for Sweep or Spectral Throw until level 45 or later. You can start using Cyclone earlier but it is a pain in the butt having enough mana to use it.

• Make sure you get Iron Reflexes off the tree early. This means you can start running Grace and it will boost your armor by quite a bit!



Skill tree:

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The skill tree is something that I'll always tinker with once in a while, just make sure to check out the final skill tree once in a while!

• Early Game - 28 Points Used

• Mid Game - 51 Points used

• Sort of End Game - 81 Points Used

• End Game - 109 Points Used


Frequently Asked Questions

1. How come you aren't using Facebreakers?
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• I have 3 pairs in my stash. I think they're boring, and using a Bringer of Rain & Facebreakers means that your Double Strike damage will take a hit - cyclone is a very strong ability - but double strike is better for fighting single monsters (i.e. rares,uniques, bosses) especially in no regeneration maps. Each time you cast cyclone, around 240 of your health goes away. That means you need to hit your target 6 times in order to get that amount of health back (level 18 life gain on hit). You're probably not going to hit that 1 single target for 6 times, and you'll actually be losing life. Double strike with Multistrike and Life Leech linked lets you afk click single targets (bosses especially).

2. How come you have Unwavering Stance in your tree? Cyclone prevents you from being stunned?
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• Desync can happen at any time, and it can happen anywhere. This build was creating for surviving through Nemesis, where anything can kill you (SURPRISE!). There's been times where I lose half of my half just because 4-5 desynced skeleton rhoas charge me from half the map away. I'd rather not take the chance. When you do get a Bringer of Rain, then maybe it's worth speccing out of Unwavering Stance as it does not stack with the Blind.

3. Concentrated Effect is causing lots of desync and I don't like how it reduces my AOE. What do I do?
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• I had this issue too. Took me about a night to solve it! You get 12% increased AOE from the skill-tree, and concentrated effect reduces AOE by 30%. 30% - 12% = 18% reduced AOE. Quality whirlwind gives 1% Increased AOE for each % quality. This means you need 18% Quality on your whirlwind gem. It's not really expensive, they're like 4-5 chaos, and you'll only need it when you get a 5 socket to use Concentrated Effect.


Testimonials:

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• Mikerelf
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mikerelf wrote:
Would like to give a report on my Scion version of this build ..
Got my Scion to lvl 60, and I'm enjoying this build a lot. It's really fun, tho I run it at Domi league, because I prefer to bruteforce some bosses (Dominus, I hate you, and screw you) instead of boring (for me) kiting and TP'ing back to base if I'm in danger...

All in all- thanks for idea, I really love the build, and I think it will only get better.
As a side note- this build is the only one, in which desync actually does not matter all that much- I'm happy if I'm in the middle of the monster group.
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mikerelf wrote:

Last edited by Mallet on Dec 18, 2013, 5:49:26 PM
Change Log!:

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•[12/2/2013] - Post has been cleaned up, skill tree optimized, will be final edit for a while.
Last edited by Mallet on Dec 3, 2013, 3:40:03 AM
Are you running this in nemesis/hardcore?
With apologies to the OP,

"Funny, he doesn't look duelist."
Do you think this build will work, if I start from Scion? I just love her lore/model more, and with almost the same nodes, she'll have 3 less Dex, 17 more Str and 24 less Int, that is not that big, as you use BM gem for Cyclone anyway.
And it would be nice to see your gear, and suggestions for it (I get the general idea, but it still would be helpful to see that information).
And would it work with IR and armour/ER equipment?
I mean, usually if you see Grace in the build, there's IR node, too. Wouldn't it be better to use Determination/Vitality instead?
Last edited by mikerelf on Nov 18, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
My wife and I are running Cyclone duelists together. They kick ass. Call ourselves the Twinados. We can clear The Docks in Merciless in 5minutes. However, we use two 1-handed swords. Survivability is not a problem though. Currently at level 66, we have 3.3k hp, about 5k armor and max resist (except chaos, which sucks). In the end, it's LGoH + Cyclone that keeps us alive.

If you're interested, here's the passive tree we are aiming to use:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBAecDhwSxBS0GohDwFCAUcRR1F9wa2xuqG60b-h3KI_Yl3ydPJ9UotSjbMZ4yCTSTNZI26DiWOlI6cTrhOu1AoEGqR35KfUrITGBN404qUEdT31YEVvpYr1jbWkhbr2BLYIhhUmNwZU1noGxGbUpuaW6qcHJybHRBdO14DXrvgTqE2YTvhmCHdojtiPGVZpkrm4OeuaQZplenMKluq8WsWa-itfK2QbcXvYG-p8APxFjSTdN-3Q3fv9_v52PuDu9O7-Pv8PGK8kX3vvzF_gr-jw==

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ImoK wrote:
Are you running this in nemesis/hardcore?


Yep this is Nemesis, Shouldve added it in to the title... would've gotten alot more attention.

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Malpheas wrote:
With apologies to the OP,

"Funny, he doesn't look duelist."


Reference? :)

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mikerelf wrote:
Do you think this build will work, if I start from Scion? I just love her lore/model more, and with almost the same nodes, she'll have 3 less Dex, 17 more Str and 24 less Int, that is not that big, as you use BM gem for Cyclone anyway.
And it would be nice to see your gear, and suggestions for it (I get the general idea, but it still would be helpful to see that information).
And would it work with IR and armour/ER equipment?
I mean, usually if you see Grace in the build, there's IR node, too. Wouldn't it be better to use Determination/Vitality instead?


TBH if you've already made the the tree, and you're able to get the same important nodes (life regen, aoe damage, IR/unwavering etc.) then go for it. You can just get those stats from items. IR is a must for hardcore!!! At level 20, grace gives you a nice flat 2016 evasion ration -> armor, whereas determination gives you 50%. Maybe late game I'll switch to determ.

As for gear, it's basically the only "bottleneck" for this build. Yes, my gear isn't that good, but I can still run 68-69 maps solo with little to no difficulty. (My helmet is complete garbage, just the resistances it gives are insane and help me max out, I'm too lazy to search for a replacement)



The most important thing about this build.. is your flasks. GRANITE FLASKS ARE A MUST!!! Especially a granite with +armor mod. It helps ALOT vs vulnerability mobs.



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rukku5 wrote:
My wife and I are running Cyclone duelists together. They kick ass. Call ourselves the Twinados. We can clear The Docks in Merciless in 5minutes. However, we use two 1-handed swords. Survivability is not a problem though. Currently at level 66, we have 3.3k hp, about 5k armor and max resist (except chaos, which sucks). In the end, it's LGoH + Cyclone that keeps us alive.

If you're interested, here's the passive tree we are aiming to use:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBAecDhwSxBS0GohDwFCAUcRR1F9wa2xuqG60b-h3KI_Yl3ydPJ9UotSjbMZ4yCTSTNZI26DiWOlI6cTrhOu1AoEGqR35KfUrITGBN404qUEdT31YEVvpYr1jbWkhbr2BLYIhhUmNwZU1noGxGbUpuaW6qcHJybHRBdO14DXrvgTqE2YTvhmCHdojtiPGVZpkrm4OeuaQZplenMKluq8WsWa-itfK2QbcXvYG-p8APxFjSTdN-3Q3fv9_v52PuDu9O7-Pv8PGK8kX3vvzF_gr-jw==



Checking out your build, it looks alright for a first time build in softcare/standard. For hardcore/nemesis, it's a much different story. Issues I have is that you chose the blood magic node, which won't let you run any auras (or forces you to run them on life, which is a no-no)
Last edited by Mallet on Nov 19, 2013, 6:07:44 AM
I was just confused, you don't have IR in your skill tree, that's why I asked about it.
As for other things- thanks for answers, I'm going to play this build, and I think I'll enjoy it a lot ^^.
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mikerelf wrote:
I was just confused, you don't have IR in your skill tree, that's why I asked about it.
As for other things- thanks for answers, I'm going to play this build, and I think I'll enjoy it a lot ^^.


Sorry, I guess I must've missed out on a few nodes! Check it now, should be good to go! Also, sorry for the late response!


PS One of the reasons I got those int nodes was because of the int requirement for cast on damage taken!
Last edited by Mallet on Nov 19, 2013, 6:38:20 AM
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Mallet wrote:
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Malpheas wrote:
With apologies to the OP,

"Funny, he doesn't look duelist."


Reference? :)


Space Balls, Jewish general comment: Funny she / he doesn't look Druish / Jewish.

RE: The Dreidel is a Hebrew toy, or at least in origin.

That said, I do like the build you're making.
Last edited by Malpheas on Nov 19, 2013, 6:42:09 AM

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