Chris: ALT-F4 LEGIT STRAT

Hey, I'm not saying you can't play HC anymore - but if you do, its no different than normal. you aren't playing anything different. Is my point.

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Wittgenstein wrote:

Hey, I'm not saying you can't play HC anymore - but if you do, its no different than normal. you aren't playing anything different. Is my point.

rofl

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EtherBunny66 wrote:

QQ is legendary here,

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

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Chris wrote:

I played hardcore d2 for many years. I pressed alt-F4 once every few days on average. I cannot imagine an Action RPG design where it's blocked. We discussed this heavily when designing PoE. I'd love to find a solution (because I agree it's bad in principle), but being able to "Nope" out of situations drastically changes a lot about the game.

Then you never played HC. You totally missed the point of HC.

You're basically saying "hey we're going to design fights that totally fuck the player, and their only option is to ALT-F4" and then also "if you can find a better solution let me know" I can think of one - don't design fights that way.

There really isn't a solution to preventing alt-f4 gameplay wise. Think about it. You have one life. You will do whatever it takes to never lose that one life.

Alt-F4 will always be HC's fail safe.

The only way to eliminate the use of it, is simply to leave the player logged in server side for oh, 10s. This however brings its own consequences as well. I've used alt-f4 even in SC when say my internet started to lag (not the game desyncing mind you).

So what the hell is the point of HC? When I played HC I knew full well that my house could lose power/I could get distracted by my kid/lag spike could hit - and I'd lose everything. That's the fricking point of HC lol. It makes the game a challenge, it makes things interesting.. how about this for an intended mechanic "we balanced the game so that at times its a contest to see how fast you can rip the Ethernet cord out of your PC" - does that sound like fun? Does that sound like something that should be intended?

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skinnay wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

Hey, I'm not saying you can't play HC anymore - but if you do, its no different than normal. you aren't playing anything different. Is my point.

rofl

Bolded part is actually true. At least in the SC v HC scenario.

The 4 month leagues however are different.

EDIT: I'm actually with you Witt. I'm just trying to state the obvious. That if a player feels endangered, they have a back up plan which isn't a game mechanic.

Although technically, no player uses alt-f4. They Esc+Exit

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Wittgenstein wrote:

If alt+f4 is intended by the dev's, then HC has no meaning whatsoever. I am really shocked by their response here, it means HC is a joke and the ladder means nothing.

ladder means nothing regardless of alt f4 if you knew how some people were able to generate ceaseless amounts of maps and currency to keep a steady pace.

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skinnay wrote:

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Wittgenstein wrote:

Hey, I'm not saying you can't play HC anymore - but if you do, its no different than normal. you aren't playing anything different. Is my point.

rofl

rofl

Look, in all my life anyone who played HC on any game agreed that shutting down the PC/ALT+F4/Yanking out the internet cord - was just cheating. Maybe me and all of my friends are wrong and REAL HC is playing until you are about to die and then turning off the game to save yourself and using "desync" as an excuse to cheat. So be it. Carry on.

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Wittgenstein wrote:

If alt+f4 is intended by the dev's, then HC has no meaning whatsoever. I am really shocked by their response here, it means HC is a joke and the ladder means nothing.

Yes yes.. posting funny pictures is funny thanks.


If the fights are designed such that the only way the player could possibly survive is to circumvent the game itself, then that is a problem and I cannot see how that could be considered otherwise. For a developer to admit that their fights are designed such that the player has to circumvent the game itself, that is a problem with the developer and I cannot see how that could be considered otherwise. When the players defend such a system, that is a sign that they do not actually want to play the mode they are playing, they do not want danger and they do not want risk and I cannot see how that could be considered otherwise.

To me its like the developers of Mike Tysons PunchOut! Saying "look nobody can beat Tyson, unless they get really lucky, so we designed the game so that the players could just unplug it and then hop back in to fight Tyson again without any risk involved. I am not sure how else we could have designed the fight. Sure, I know we only give you a couple of lives but players just HATE losing, and admittedly, so do we, so we figure its just better to let people play the game without any risk at all."

Aaaaaand - I'm out.