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Problem: Ease of evaluation. Think of various ARPGs — Diablo 2 and 3, Path of Exile, whichever others you have played — and think about the task of looking at a stash and trying to reduce it down to a single number. That number might have units of gold, or high runes, or Exalts; the unit of currency doesn't matter, the point is the process of boiling down items to trade values. How easy or difficult that process is gives you an idea of the ease of evaluation in the game. Good ARPG trading rewards evaluation skill by making this process rather difficult, leading to major disagreements on item value even by skilled traders; bad ARPG trading oversimplifies this process to the point where determining an item's value is as easy as looking it up in some index. What killed trading in Diablo 3 wasn't vast amounts of auction house arbitrage, but precisely the opposite — that the auction house simplified trading to the point that arbitrage quickly became nearly impossible.

Solution: Item/affix diversity through build diversity. This is actually a two-parter. First, there need to a be a lot of different, viable builds throughout the game. The more the build metagame isolates itself towards a small handful of builds, the more affixes for those builds are seen as "good" and affixes not for those builds seen as "bad." Instead, there should be no right or wrong answer on any one particular affix, and it's the combination of affixes which determines the value of the item — in other words, evaluation based on internal synergy. Second and most importantly, builds need to have particular affixes or items tied closely to them; a Diablo 3 system where all Wizards want to be wearing essentially the same items, even if their builds are radically different, is not the system you want. Done right, and evaluations become largely personal, based on build preference and thus more difficult to compare directly.

Complication: Orb general utility. Imagine three very different builds in Path of Exile — let's say melee Marauder, bow-wielding Ranger, and spell-slinging Witch. Now think about how build dependent the various orbs are for each. Does any of those builds want Exalted Orbs more than another? Fusings? Orbs of Chance? There might be some small differences, but generally all builds want orbs equally. This is a very bad thing for item diversity; two traders might have difficulty agreeing on the proper price for a rare weapon, but have little difficulty establishing an exchange ratio between two currencies... which is why traders have been doing it relatively easily since closed beta. I've submitted a few suggestions on how to fix this in the past, but I do not wish to repeat them here — I now doubt they would work. Stumped, I suppose I'll have to leave this particular problem unsolved.

Specific suggestion: Give maps intrinsic mods. Right now maps have a general utility problem similar to orbs, but it's a lot easier to fix: make the maps more build-dependent by adding implicit mods to maps that favor some builds while hampering others. For example, a map with "+x% increased monster accuracy" would be more challenging for evasion-based characters... but the x doesn't have to be so big that diverse groups couldn't bring their evasion guy along (after all, each of them would have maps they're weak in, so everyone would take turns getting carried). Revamping the map affix system to be less "flat bonus" and more build-dependent would also be a good thing, although the primary focus with map affixes, above all else, should be fun, new, difficult challenges.

As far as "self-found" goes: The only legitimate complaint self-founders have is that, when you're farming, the game currently feeds you far more "tradeables" — stuff that you can trade away for somewhere from 1 Fusing to a few Chaos — than it gives actual currency. The solution is simple: increase currency drop rates and simultaneously reduce item rarity (or perhaps quantity of non-orb items). Done right, and the game wouldn't really be any easier or harder, because you'd get the same farming value/hour; however, those who don't trade would be better equipped to craft their own gear.

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reboticon wrote:

Trading is an art, and one I am particularly terrible at. What I did was take my good non-unique finds, and give them to a very good trader friend to sell. Then he would keep about 1/3rd of the total profit. To both of us, it felt like we were getting a great deal, because to him it was free money for a little time worth selling, and for me it was free money for an item I would never have spent the time to sell, because I have zero desire to do so.

Oh no man no more mods !! DO you want us to become crazy with a million no good rares :D ?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Complication: Orb general utility. Imagine three very different builds in Path of Exile — let's say melee Marauder, bow-wielding Ranger, and spell-slinging Witch. Now think about how build dependent the various orbs are for each. Does any of those builds want Exalted Orbs more than another? Fusings? Orbs of Chance? There might be some small differences, but generally all builds want orbs equally. This is a very bad thing for item diversity; two traders might have difficulty agreeing on the proper price for a rare weapon, but have little difficulty establishing an exchange ratio between two currencies... which is why traders have been doing it relatively easily since closed beta. I've submitted a few suggestions on how to fix this in the past, but I do not wish to repeat them here — I now doubt they would work. Stumped, I suppose I'll have to leave this particular problem unsolved.

Woh currencies class based, sound exciting actually

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Specific suggestion: Give maps intrinsic mods. Right now maps have a general utility problem similar to orbs, but it's a lot easier to fix: make the maps more build-dependent by adding implicit mods to maps that favor some builds while hampering others. For example, a map with "+x% increased monster accuracy" would be more challenging for evasion-based characters... but the x doesn't have to be so big that diverse groups couldn't bring their evasion guy along (after all, each of them would have maps they're weak in, so everyone would take turns getting carried). Revamping the map affix system to be less "flat bonus" and more build-dependent would also be a good thing, although the primary focus with map affixes, above all else, should be fun, new, difficult challenges.

Awesome! But i know GGG don't want you to play 1 single char indefinitely , they want you to try other builds, and they want maps to be difficult to roll.

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