Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Instanced = single player. Right, because working together to dispose of enemies and not worrying about rushing to get loot or to screw someone else out of loot definitely makes the multiplayer experience worse.

That said, I'm not for Instanced loot, just extended timers that party creators choose whether or not to use. Giving players a choice is never a bad thing, lack of choice is what ruins games.

This is a never-ending argument. It's about as useless as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum.

Previous D2 players are more inclined to liking the FFA loot due to them being used to it, or showing themselves as a more hardcore crowd. While newer members of the ARPG genre, immigrants from D3, etc would be used to separate loot/rolling/need & greed/etc.

Chris & Gang have stated pretty clearly that they like FFA, and that they are building a game that they want...which is a hardcore game. I can't really say I'm for or against this, because personally I don't group with anyone and rather enjoy chatting in global and reading the forums for my social commodities(or lack thereof).

Which is why it's hard for me to understand why those that don't like FFA(I'll take this side as it's what the developers have commented as wanting) complain about being crapped on in groups or that it's unfair.

First off, placing yourself in a position to where you can be ripped off, knowing full well that this can happen...over and over again...leaves room for a diagnosis of insanity. There is not one part of this game that *requires* grouping, and therefore if the FFA group loot does not work for you then don't group. If your objective is to make friends and be social - well, I'm here to tell you...having friends usually means you're going to sacrifice in some areas to make room for them in others. It also means that if you have someone in your group that does try and take all the "lootz" that he/she probably isn't the best person to befriend, unless you're just sadistic like that.

With a game as complex as PoE, it surprises me that the community against FFA loot hasn't taken the more intelligent step in just normalizing a rule-based system around dividing loot without the help of a feature in game to do so for them. It's what MMO players did for fair loot distribution with things such as DKP.

At any rate, my two cents. Commence WWIII.

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SMRD wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Speak for yourself. I think gamers are smart enough to know what they like. Thats why D3 is so universally hated and POE is so loved. If people know that they don't enjoy FFA telling them they are wrong is ridiculous.

Nobody said you are supposed to "enjoy" it. (most of the games mechanics are trying to kill your character as well - do you enjoy those too?)

Call me ridiculous, that’s fine. but I'm in there playing in groups daily (the one week race had many great pub games BTW) and there is drama, there is fighting, and there is friendship, none of this I would see without FFA loot.

Well, with instanced loot, there's friendship ("hey, keep an eye out for a white " insert high level weapon/armor/etc here). I would enjoy it more without the drama and fighting, which always revolves around loot drops.

I played the D3 demo and all I know is the ONLY public game I played on there a weapon dropped for me and it was for the guy I was with's class, I picked it up, dropped it, he took it, and dropped something that fit my class. If that's not friendship, I don't know what is.

Open beta is getting quite close... could we get a definitive post from someone at GGG about where they are on this issue? It's the deciding factor on whether or not I put more money into this game.

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Netherm wrote:

Open beta is getting quite close... could we get a definitive post from someone at GGG about where they are on this issue? It's the deciding factor on whether or not I put more money into this game.

agree 100%, wish GGG would just tell us one way or another. just glad i got into beta by luck of draw.

Edited to not extend any more arguments.


One of the posts below me is right, and that they have basically already stated their stance.

Back to playing.

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Netherm wrote:

Open beta is getting quite close... could we get a definitive post from someone at GGG about where they are on this issue? It's the deciding factor on whether or not I put more money into this game.

They made their position clear long ago regarding the looting system:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392

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Chris wrote:

It's important to us that Path of Exile has a cut-throat feel where players are not only competing against monsters, but also their fellow players. We do not feel it is an option to arbitrarily hide items from players who have not been allocated them.

To my knowledge, they have not made any further posts on this matter nor have they announced any intention of including different looting options. As such, players should not take the absence of additional GGG posts as evidence of anything: they simply have nothing new to add to the conversation from their perspective. If/when they do: you'll know.

Otherwise it's safe to assume their vision for their game has not changed.

Doesn't earn them any brownie points in the "we listen to our community" though.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

Doesn't earn them any brownie points in the "we listen to our community" though.

if they changed the game every time vocal opinion decides something on the game needs changed, this game would be terrible.