Trading is horrendous - Especially this time of the league!

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trixxar wrote:

The lead dev has already shot down players and the other devs who wanted an AH (read the trade manifesto and the days of arguments his own devs gave him).

He can’t back down without losing face, even as all the arguments are shown to be nonsensical.

China has proved it actually changes progression very little.

Leagues have proved that power expansion happens anyway and can be dealt with.

Crafting is the only path to endgame anyway which costs currency and people won’t post items for less than crafting costs.

Flooding the game with low end items would happen but it would mostly impact players making the jump from acts to maps (higher end items take crafting, only found items would be super cheap)

Ssf is there for those who don’t like it (and always has been)


(Note on the other side you won’t see logical posts, only vague “ruin the game” stuff, or “uh I already posted something, no clue where”, or “this is the way it is because it is this way” reasoning.)

But I agree with them on one thing, it won’t change. Here’s to the next round of Arpgs and hoping they learn from PoEs failure to make basic QoL features. No currency pickups, no attempt at better tool tips, no trade improvements, no qa for content, no passive tree planner in the game (China has this as well).

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Ydoum wrote:

It's gonna get worse every day now.

Heist, 2 months into the league: 17k avg. concurrent online players
Harvest, 2 months into the league: 40k avg. concurrent online players
(the above is based on steam charts)

Remember when people cried that harvest was a bad league? I wonder, why if it was so bad, its player retention was so much better?

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dupie wrote:

I like how they exposed wether the seller was afk and when the item was listed so you can kind of save yourself time and avoid certain sellers but this would take it to another level.

Just my 5 cents.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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trixxar wrote:

The lead dev has already shot down players and the other devs who wanted an AH (read the trade manifesto and the days of arguments his own devs gave him).

He can’t back down without losing face, even as all the arguments are shown to be nonsensical.

China has proved it actually changes progression very little.

Leagues have proved that power expansion happens anyway and can be dealt with.

Crafting is the only path to endgame anyway which costs currency and people won’t post items for less than crafting costs.

Flooding the game with low end items would happen but it would mostly impact players making the jump from acts to maps (higher end items take crafting, only found items would be super cheap)

Ssf is there for those who don’t like it (and always has been)


(Note on the other side you won’t see logical posts, only vague “ruin the game” stuff, or “uh I already posted something, no clue where”, or “this is the way it is because it is this way” reasoning.)

But I agree with them on one thing, it won’t change. Here’s to the next round of Arpgs and hoping they learn from PoEs failure to make basic QoL features. No currency pickups, no attempt at better tool tips, no trade improvements, no qa for content, no passive tree planner in the game (China has this as well).

The fact that China has proven AH has little change to progression should be reason enough to implement it. It's one of the biggest things "mUh TrAyD mAnIfEsTu" harps on about.

Agreed. Easier trades aren't going to make more players broken OP. Powercreep introduced by new leagues will handle that for us. I disagree that they "deal with it", though. Powercreep has already forced GGG to buff mob HP and damage twice over the game's life, which has had a negative impact on poor players.

Harvest introduced a better way to craft that isn't gated to all except the ultra rich. If GGG were to make it so Harvest-crafted gear becomes soulbound to the player, or at least have seeds not be able to be traded, this would open up the system to a lot more people without it harming "mUh EcUnUmi". I believe Harvest would solve peoples' issues with difficulty of obtaining gear by encouraging them to make it themselves.

I will argue that SSF is not for those who don't like it. SSF is a mode for masochists who want to play in a game that's built around a dependence on trade. The quality of your gear will be drastically worse in SSF compared to a trade league, by design. I wouldn't be upset if GGG put Harvest exclusively in it, it would be a massive improvement for SSF.