Pay to Win vs Not: Irrelevant Distinction

Do you realize how many people passed you while you were going on & on about being disadvantaged due to a lack of free stash tabs ALL DAY?

You whine about unfair advantages on the forum when you're disadvantaging yourself by babbling instead of playing the game?

Man, oh man. People these days I tell ya :D
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AintCare wrote:
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flab wrote:




The distinction you have to make is that you can gain huge, instantaneous efficiency boosts in that game. PoE is nowhere near that.


really? like what? better items? techically if you are really lucky you can have better gear then AH on D3 has to offer... and no matter how lucky you get in PoE, there will be no extra stash tabs for you :P

Oh and actually I made money on D3 (spend $60 for the game but when I cashed out it was over $190 lol)


Did you honestly just question better loot with regard to efficiency in a game about loot?

Anyway, that technicality is the exception in the case of D3. Just like getting anything remotely close to a significant advantage from extra stash tabs is the exception in PoE, it happens to be an almost entirely reversed scenario.

You don't get to just have better items for free in D3. You do get to just have more stash options in PoE.
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AintCare wrote:


Sure is true that quote of yours... problem is it shows that GGG sells improvements for cash

then turns around and says, oh nono we are 100% non-pay2win, buuut you know its just a stash tab in a loot based game :), oh you wonder if you can get it for free somehow? nono, its only in the cash shop :)

like I said, I was playing D3, and I could get ANYTHING in the game as a free player.. but more stash tabs on account and labels for them I will never get for free in PoE


D3 is not free bro, you have to pay 60$ for the game... And you say d3 isn't pay to win while Poe is? Top end players in d3 spend 1000s of cash in rmah. It's because it's impossible to find the best godly weapon with the stats you want even if you farm 1000000000000000 hours+. And blizzard still won't admit that they are pay2win... Congrats on making ur self a troll in Poe... You earn the troll award of the week!
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Aintcare...

if this game has no stash tab to start. then buying stash tab from cash shop maybe a pay2win.

but no, you start with 4 stash tabs, and free to create more.


so this isn't pay2win at all.
I have 7 bot in d3 running non-stop for 24hrs a day and only found 1-2 good weapons in weeks of farming. And it's not even godly... In Poe your craft items is 10x better than stuff u will ever find... The crafting in here is one of the best in any arpg... If you don't think d3 is pay to win... You have no idea what is pay to win!
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AintCare wrote:

D3 auction house is not game breaking.. you dont have to use it... you still have the same experience...



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AintCare wrote:


no I agree D3 is pay 2 win... and RNG could get you better gear then AH- no doubt about that.. its just unlikely...


Sound like a Hippocrates to me, say d3 isn't pay to win and now saying d3 is...

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But PoE cannot praise themselves as 100% non-pay2win if they sell functional upgrades...
I don't remember D3 saying that shit, and technically you could get anything in the game without spending a cent more then other players in the game

and yes its all about technicalities... if they want to be truly against pay 2 win then they should not provide ANY functional perks for players for cash.. or they can just remove that BS line about being 100% against that idea, and do what they are doing now...



Will your 30 tab give you an advantage against me in pvp? Or will it make u level faster than me? If you paid for a godly items in d3, you will level 10x faster than me in my blue and white gears. Having extra tabs won't make u level faster or be better at pvp... That's why we don't call it pay2win.. Only noobs and troll will call it that.. We all see pay2win as in someone who can power level themselves through difficulty because they use real money to make themselves godly... Can you make ur self godly with unlimited stash? Will your character be more powerful than mine if u have unlimited stash and I only have 4?
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Sure is true that quote of yours... problem is it shows that GGG sells improvements for cash then turns around and says, oh nono we are 100% non-pay2win


Hi, AintCare.

Are we on the big mouse treadmill in the sky, looping over the wires endlessly? I hope not. My point is, you're wrapped up over comparing your definition of terms to theirs. They are calling mode #1 p2w, you are calling mode #1-2 p2w. That is all.

They are mode #2-3. That's what they are. They don't call this p2w. If some part of it is "pay to play more coveniently," they are okay with that. So are virtually all the rest of us. I mean, GGG has to get paid somehow, no? They are not a charity. Just as a reminder to ya.

Why do you care about all this? I mean, they're not tossing out their terms as some kind of challenge to the community. They are also not going to give you any free stash tabs. If you want them, you're gonna have to pay. That's how it is.

Dig?

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Great post, OP. Sums it up nicely.
IGN: Cocaineguin
POE is already Pay2Win. It just can't be done legally, but certainly if you have the money you can buy anything you want in this game.

People here like to live in nice little bubbles with the label "POE is not P2W". Sure it is, it's just that it is not officially P2W.

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