Was there a reason GGG removed the best map in the game?

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Arrowneous wrote:

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girng wrote:

God, wait, GGG works in mysterious ways

And Chris said unto his minions dev team: "Let us drive out the plague of casuals that has infested the lands of Wreaclast and Oriath." And so it was decreed and put forth and a new path of "and we doubled it" was begun in 2020 until all casual players have been driven out of the whole of PoE. And Chris proclaimed "So let it be done!"

Edit: It was either that or "Fun?... We ain't got no fun... We don't want you to have fun... We ain't got to give you no stinking fun!!!"

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

the original gorge and strand were fun because they dont force you to backtrack. thats why people loved playing them [Removed by Support]


thats how they work with endgame content, if its fun people play it, and then ggg gets in a sulk because people dont play all the [Removed by Support] content they spent time making so they destroy the fun stuff to make sure we play the game the way they want us to play it, [Removed by Support], even though they basically cheated the stats by forcing people into things they didnt want to play by removing the stuff they did want to do and bribing players with exaggerated item drops.


thats why i dont play the game any more, shaped maps, elder maps, the best layouts etc, the things that actually let you enjoy your game by playing the bits you liked to play were all removed [Removed by Support]. they kind of forget the other option too, you can take away the fun content and then players are forced to play the stuff they dont enjoy [Removed by Support]... or they can just stop playing your [Removed by Support] game.



this is basically the path of nonsense endgame had followed. maps as a format force full clearing, full clearing forces backtracking in a non linear layout, backtracking is not fun. they made a decision to use an endgame format that forces linear layouts, then decided they wanted more layout variety than all linear layouts. most people didnt want to play all these non linear maps because theyre not fun given the format of full clear mapping, so ggg has been constantly trying to find ways to force people to play the [Removed by Support] layouts, removing maps, nerfing density, making maps too low tier to be worth playing, putting expensive div cards in unfun maps, removing mechanics that let us play the maps we want to play, everything they can possibly do. and it all boils down to them making 2 design decisions that conflict with each other, we want a map format that is only fun for a lot of people when the zone is linear + we dont want most maps to be linear. its just a really bad decision, they made 2 incompatible choices and rather than change one so their design makes sense theyve set about spending years trying to make their game less fun to make sure that their bad decision seems to work on paper when they look at the player stats for content engagement.

xp is just xp, its a formula, they can change the numbers to whatever they want. the real problem for them is looking at the stats and seeing that a lot of people clearly dont want to play 90% of their content. their solution is to effectively remove the 10% that people do want to play. its the problem with arpgs, remember when whirlwind was by far the most fun build in early diablo 3? so do you try and change things to make other builds that are fun like that? nope, blizzards answer was to remove the original whirlwind, just destroy the build so no one could play it. now people play lots of builds right? i couldnt tell you, i stopped playing the game because they destroyed the things that were fun that made the game worth playing. i started playing the game again years later when they stopped being stupid and started adding fun things back to the game and tried to balance them by adding even more fun things.

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Turtledove wrote:

I didn't realize that the gorge map had been removed. It was the best map in the game. Although IIRC, they shortened it at one point before it was deleted. So, it was the best map in the game before it was shortened.

This seems strange to me that it was removed. I mean I read some arguments that it was removed because it was too popular. I have difficulty understanding that but can't figure out any other rational???

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Turtledove wrote:

I didn't realize that the gorge map had been removed. It was the best map in the game. Although IIRC, they shortened it at one point before it was deleted. So, it was the best map in the game before it was shortened.

This seems strange to me that it was removed. I mean I read some arguments that it was removed because it was too popular. I have difficulty understanding that but can't figure out any other rational???

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Nubatron wrote:

The removal of Gorge is the single biggest WTF moment by GGG. Universally loved map with noticeable downside (limited density).