CI and stun

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LordBiff wrote:

So you think any CI build should require a specific *unique* or another keystone to be effective?

It isn't that we aren't all as clever as you and hadn't thought of removing stuns from the table, it's about not wanting to be forced down a certain path to have a keystone work.

That's the thing, you don't have to (for the sake of ease, please read the last 4-5 pages where it's all explained again and again). Just take som life gear and you're all set! all slots free.

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The drawback to CI is that you have 1 life. This allows you to completely ignore life on gear and passives, however, the drawback to ignoring life on gear and passives is the status ailment problem that you speak of. Here are your options:

1) Get gear to prevent said status ailments...
2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments
3) Don't spec CI

Hope this clears it up for ya there.

:DDDD
Unbelievable.

"CI allows you to completely ignore life on gear and passives but it comes with the drawback of status ailments problem. Your options:
1)get life on gear
2)get life passives
3) don't spec CI"

Im really starting to think you guys are just trolling here.

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SpecialSnowflake wrote:

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The drawback to CI is that you have 1 life. This allows you to completely ignore life on gear and passives, however, the drawback to ignoring life on gear and passives is the status ailment problem that you speak of. Here are your options:

1) Get gear to prevent said status ailments...
2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments
3) Don't spec CI

Hope this clears it up for ya there.

:DDDD
Unbelievable.

"CI allows you to completely ignore life on gear and passives but it comes with the drawback of status ailments problem. Your options:
1)get life on gear
2)get life passives
3) don't spec CI"

Im really starting to think you guys are just trolling here.

What was the point of butchering my quote in your post when you actually quoted the real post? If you read my actual post it makes perfect sense. Heavy ES builds that don't take CI can have the same issue and they have the same options to deal with it (with the exception of not taking CI). Sorry you don't like those options. I believe the best bet for you will be 3) don't spec CI

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LordBiff wrote:

So you think any CI build should require a specific *unique* or another keystone to be effective?

It isn't that we aren't all as clever as you and hadn't thought of removing stuns from the table, it's about not wanting to be forced down a certain path to have a keystone work.

What you want is all the upside without the downside. We get it. Its a bad idea.

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Ridiem wrote:

If there are people taking life nodes over unwavering stance/chayula's and chance to avoid status ailment nodes for CI characters I'm extremely worried about the community of this game.

So u suggest spending 15+ points on unwavering stance as a templar/witch just for stun immunity nad give up 2 item slots for freeze/shock or spend 15+ points again on ailment nodes OVER spending 5-10 points on life nodes to make it viable?

Thanks for being worried anyway.

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thepmrc wrote:

What was the point of butchering my quote in your post when you actually quoted the real post? If you read my actual post it makes perfect sense. Heavy ES builds that don't take CI can have the same issue and they have the same options to deal with it (with the exception of not taking CI). Sorry you don't like those options. I believe the best bet for you will be 3) don't spec CI

CI allows me to ignore life completely but i should get more life or quit CI.
Makes perfect sense.

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SpecialSnowflake wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

What was the point of butchering my quote in your post when you actually quoted the real post? If you read my actual post it makes perfect sense. Heavy ES builds that don't take CI can have the same issue and they have the same options to deal with it (with the exception of not taking CI). Sorry you don't like those options. I believe the best bet for you will be 3) don't spec CI

CI allows me to ignore life completely but i should get more life or quit CI.
Makes perfect sense.

Actually the options were:
1) Get gear to prevent said status ailments...
2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments
3) Don't spec CI

Plenty of people succeed with CI builds. Options are there to negate the downsides, if you don't want to take advantage of these options and feel that you would be better off stacking life and ignoring CI THEN DO IT.

You should get more life, invest in the items, or play around the stun/freeze like the rest of the player base. Either way, you need to realize that CI is very strong, allowing it to also grant near immunity to status ailments and stuns would make it hands down superior to other available options.

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thepmrc wrote:

Actually the options were:
1) Get gear to prevent said status ailments...
2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments
3) Don't spec CI

Plenty of people succeed with CI builds. Options are there to negate the downsides, if you don't want to take advantage of these options and feel that you would be better off stacking life and ignoring CI THEN DO IT.

I give up trying to make you see the contradiction.

I don't know if i would be better off stacking life, havent tried it yet. Im fine with CI I just dont like the crappy stun mechanics and id rather like to see a nerf and a fix at the same time.

/e

Yeah, its unique. I see what you guys want to say. I don't like it. Basing 1 of the most important defensive mechanism on invisible stats? No thanks.

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SpecialSnowflake wrote:

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thepmrc wrote:

Actually the options were:
1) Get gear to prevent said status ailments...
2) Stack some HP to reduce the effect of said status ailments
3) Don't spec CI

Plenty of people succeed with CI builds. Options are there to negate the downsides, if you don't want to take advantage of these options and feel that you would be better off stacking life and ignoring CI THEN DO IT.

I give up trying to make you see the contradiction.

I don't know if i would be better off stacking life, havent tried it yet. Im fine with CI I just dont like the crappy stun mechanics and id rather like to see a nerf and a fix at the same time.

/e

Yeah, its unique. I see what you guys want to say. I don't like it. Basing stun recovery on invisible life? No thanks.

stun recovery is not based on your life at all, it is the chance to get stunned that is based on life, and ES has a 50% chance to avoid stun. If its stun recovery you are struggling with then prioritize %stun recovery on gear.

I can see the 'contradiction' that you are trying to point out, but it is not a contradiction, its called compromise. You can get away with absolutely zero life investment on a CI build, but that comes with certain downsides that you need to mitigate through other means, or you need to not completely ignore life. This is a compromise, it is balance, it is not a contradiction.

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thepmrc wrote:

stun recovery is not based on your life at all, it is the chance to get stunned that is based on life, and ES has a 50% chance to avoid stun. If its stun recovery you are struggling with then prioritize %stun recovery on gear.

I can see the 'contradiction' that you are trying to point out, but it is not a contradiction, its called compromise. You can get away with absolutely zero life investment on a CI build, but that comes with certain downsides that you need to mitigate through other means, or you need to not completely ignore life. This is a compromise, it is balance, it is not a contradiction.

Yeah, I ment stun chance. My bad.

Saying CI allows me to ignore life completely then again telling me to get life nodes is a contradiction. Not a big deal just wanted to see if you admit if you're wrong or not.

Sure i can get away with anything i can completely ignore everything it just comes with the downside of dying a lot. :D Compromises...

Chaos resist is not that hard to stack, CI is pointless in it's current form.