Time Capsule from PoE Closed Beta -- a classic PoE vs D3 thread circa 2012

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alcovitch wrote:

This to me just cries out outdated game mechanics. At least it's in it's own separate league so you can actually avoid that unpleasantness.

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kodr wrote:

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

Monk, female: The biggest failure of them all. First of all, she's blonde and pretty hot. Seriously? A hot female monk? Not even the female monks in Guild Wars were that attractive.

really? ^^;
And I don't even wear a tattoo pattern.
GW1 had over-the-top top model design.

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miljan wrote:

... Demon hunter is the only "new" class that I like more than class from d2.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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Tagek wrote:

First of all: Game of thrones is the best series ever made.

Now that that's out of the way:

The sorceress the assassin and the amazon are all 'pretty girls' in tightly dressed / revealing clothes. Maybe diablo 1 didn't have these types per se, but that was only because of the limited tech / classes at the time.
As for some of the other classes, you are right, the demon hunter especially has been made very 'cool' and hot.
At the same time though, every game does this these days.
It's simply how things work.
Take path of exile for example. The ranger is a hot young lady, not some rugged survivor covered in scars.
The best example in POE is the witch.
When I think of a witch I think about an incredibly old, hunch-backed lady with an ugly pointy nose.
POE's witch is a young woman who could just as well star in a L'oréal commercial.

As for the armor sets. I'll talk about these per class.

The barbarian ones are awesome, big, bulky and tough looking.

The demon hunter has some cool ones and some bad ones.
For example, the female version wearing the Tier 15 armor
which you can see here at 2:50 simply looks really really awesome. Imo they should just make that one the final tier for DH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z783Ttu2BU&list=FLz65V9RZGPtI5zbmaFt3Gow&index=18&feature=plpp_video

The wizard has the ugliest sets of them all, but regardless of armor sets I would like to give blizzard some credit for making her asian, as for 'hotness' in mind, a blond or brunette wouldve done miles better among the younger crowd.

The monk. This is the guy I will be playing (that or barb) when the game comes out. His armor looks kind of cool and monk-ish, but not everywhere. I'd say this is the hardest class to make armor for because it has to be relatively simple, but also badass. Which is very hard to achieve given that he'll be viewed from a zoomed-out top-down perspective.

And finally the witch doctor. Like you said, he's just.. epic. His armor matches his class perfectly and also manages to look really really sweet in almost every single tier. Great job on this one.

Overall I think blizzard did what needed to be done.
I'd attribute the lack of true badass endgame gear in diablo 2 more to lack of time / effort than to an idea of roughness really. This time they wanted to give each character their own feel and identity through armor.
I also think if blizzard had made all the armors very rough and wild looking, people would have complained that there aren't more badass looking armor types available.

I watch a LOT of TV, and...let's say Game of Thrones is one of a very few shows I feel I can recommend to anyone, anyone. So it's in the top five best shows I've seen. That will have to do.

I really like the Witch, actually. She matches more what 'real' witches were like from our world. Pasty, wasted, wan. Not exactly pretty. I can see the villagers gathering around her, throwing stones and threatening drowning and flames, possibly not in that order.

The Ranger isn't pretty. She just isn't. Sorry GGG, but she ain't.

The Marauder is so ugly the only way I could make one was because of a particularly nifty pun on the Soul Calibur series.

The Duelist is pretty ugly too. Smarmy, sort of like Humperdinck from The Princess Bride.

The Templar is wiry but not muscle-bound, aged but not sedentary. I think he looks pretty damn realistic. And that's a big achievement in this day and age; like you said, 'everyone's doing it these days', the cool-look thing.

Very nifty video of all the armour sets. I'm not sure many of them do your argument any favours, though. Most look entirely more 'cool' than 'functional.' There's something very satisfying in the way Path of Exile ramps it up, from literally equipping flotsam on a beach to trading essential goods for fairly crappy gear, to finally making your way inland and towards something more closely resembling civilisation. The D3 site amusing mocks the low-end armor of each class (Go read it, it's actually pretty funny), but even that mockery is dragged down by the fact that the characters themselves don't seem to *need* to wear that armour in the first place half the time...

Also, can I iterate here? DUAL WIELDING CROSSBOWS IS STUPID. Let's tap GoT here: 'Never did like Crossbows.' Why? Because they take so damn long to reload. Now try it with one in each hand. Seriously. Stupid.

As for the hot-Asian thing, let's avoid any racist deviations here and accept that Diablo 3 has had *some* influence from the Japanese video game aesthetic. Not quite as badly as Dungeon Siege III (which, to be fair, was technically headed that way thanks to a certain merger), but still. Besides, the monk hits the blonde-hot thing if that is indeed your thing. I think making the wizards 'Asian' was really stupid, and poorly done. Asian wizards traditionally look nothing like that. Mako in Conan the Barbarian? Now that's a believable Asian-inspired wizard. They were primal animists, almost shamanistic. All you get with D3 is some sort of weird anime-ish, Avatar: The Last Airbender-esque cool. And I loved Avatar, so let's not go there either.

Your last paragraph is impossible to disagree with, so I won't. Especially that last sentence.

That doesn't I have to agree that it's *right* that things have gone that way. And as we've said so often here, I'm not alone in thinking that, because...well...Path of Exile.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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miljan wrote:

... Demon hunter is the only "new" class that I like more than class from d2.

Really? The Demon Hunter looks bloody stupid to me. Total proof that somewhere, somehow, there's a direct teleportation system from Azeroth to Sanctuary.

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Tagek wrote:

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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miljan wrote:

... Demon hunter is the only "new" class that I like more than class from d2.

Really? The Demon Hunter looks bloody stupid to me. Total proof that somewhere, somehow, there's a direct teleportation system from Azeroth to Sanctuary.

I think the reason they went with this design is because it just fits incredibly well.
She looks to be heavily based off sylvanas from Warcraft.
Both women are pretty, very independent and most importantly:
They both seek revenge.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

But yes, the GW female monks were very well done, and the overall character design was (and is) very stylised. I'm not sure I'd use 'over the top', but still, stylised to quite a degree.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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miljan wrote:

... Demon hunter is the only "new" class that I like more than class from d2.

Really? The Demon Hunter looks bloody stupid to me. Total proof that somewhere, somehow, there's a direct teleportation system from Azeroth to Sanctuary.

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Tagek wrote:

Well what would you have liked to see?
They didn't really have very many options left.
I think she's an awesome character, and her gameplay is looking amazing so far.
Just because she's based off a character from another series doesn't mean I won't like her.

(Probably won't be playing her, though. I hate ranged classes)

EDIT: So, no. Partially due to the fact that I never would have played the class regardless of what it was, too.