15 European gambling regulators unite to tackle loot box threat
" Don't throw away your freedoms. Just make sure you aren't getting screwed over and you are properly warned about dangerous or addictive things. This is an example and I am not saying anything about EA's real numbers. This is why you need the government to protect you and regulate this. Example #1: Electronic Arts says you have a 10% chance to get a chest item from the gambling box. In reality you actually have 5% chance. They are misleading you about your chances of winning. Currently there is no way to check/verify this and no punishment for them misleading you. Basically they can do whatever the fuck they want right now. Example #2: They can sell you an item with a chance to get it for $10 dollars a roll and you can have a .000000000001 chance to get it. How do you know that you might not ever get it? You don't know what your chances are. I want the government to protect me from GGG saying that you get x item at 5% chance but in reality you are getting x item at 1% chance. GGG is currently doing this with their gambling boxes. After your first box your chances go down because of duplicates but they don't mention that. You also have no idea if your chances are what they say they are. (I am not saying GGG is lying about your chances. I am saying you have no way of know if your chances are what they said they are) I want the government to warn children and adults alike that they are in fact gambling and the game they are buying has gambling boxes in it. I don't think they should remove these boxes entirely but children should not be able to play games and buy games that have gambling in them for real money. ID should be required to play/buy these games. Adults need to be protected just as much as kids when it comes to gambling. I don't think gambling should be outlawed but it needs to be regulated just like casinos are regulated. Also, I already said this multiple times but here it is again. GGG says "The possible outcomes from your mystery box range in value from 30 points all the way up to 320 points! " This is true but only for the first box. If you get a duplicate it is worth 0 points to you. You should change the wording. It should say, "The possible outcomes from your mystery box range in value from 30 points all the way up to 320 points on your first box. After that it ranges from 0 points all the way up to 320 points." Also, each box does not average 110 points. The first box averages 110 points (if you say so). After the first box each additional box will average less and less points the more you buy. " Completed 40 ChallengesGravytrader wrote: Rough math would have the average value of the first box you purchase at 110 points. As you buy more the average value decreases assuming you value duplicates as zero. On average, box value would be (using more rough math): 1st box: 110 points 5th box: 101 points 10th box: 91 points 15th box: 81 points 20th box: 73 points 30th box: 59 points 40th box: 47 points 50th box: 38 points 60th box: 31 points 61st box: 29.92 points As you can see, the more boxes you buy the less each box is worth. Last edited by Orbitalx on Oct 15, 2018, 6:01:03 PM
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" Trying to be a good internet boi "a la" I write shoyt therefore it's true? Gambling =/= P2W. POE's box are 100% gambling and why the game is designed as it is nowadays. Go educate yourself on F2P profit maximization then come back :p. I hope GGG and all those other companies are going to get shat on real hard, because the crappy part of their game(s) is actually a fair (or at least) 50% due to their abuse of people's gambling addiction (as it's been identified in many research papers and why the debate is starting). Over-priced e-stuff and compulsive buying is the second part. It's going to be harder to sort out though for various reasons. |
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Wonder what peoples reactions would be if it were stated that for each Path of Exile Account, these Mystery Boxes it was from now on allowed to ONLY buy MAX 15 boxes every 3 months.
I know, probably silly and stupid, but hey. | |
" Your local post office and school district are failures. They now also have something called truancy officers. |
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" well other than directly infringing upon the freedom of someone who WANTS to buy more than 15 every 3 months.... i mean. a limit i think is a bad idea, but i guess you could so something like maybe 15 boxes a day. still, i don't think that regulation should be put in place. i think people should control themselves, and if they can't, its their own damn problem and not in the realm of responsibility for the government to...well...govern. | |
" People don't WANT to buy more than 15 boxes. They want to get a specific piece, preferably in their first box. And because of certain psychological effects (gamblers fallacy, the need to have the new shiny aka social pressure, etc.) they get sucked into buying more than they planned to. It's cool that you had an upbringing, social structures, educational environment or whatever made you strong enough to control yourself, but lots of people do not have that luxury. I also stopped smoking because i wanted to, so i see your point. But acting high and mighty and saying everybody can help themselves is just denying reality and human nature. Same with your sugar example. Sweetness originally tells your brain "Sweet, this is a nice and healthy fruit" which means it has lots of nutrition. But companies are selling people just this feeling without the actual healthy effects, just to get their money. They are even actively telling people that it's good to eat their stuff and will make them happy. So, yes, their has to be an independent governing party, that optimally tells people about the effects of all these substances and also watches over which substances are put into the food people buy and forces companies to be honest about what substances this food contains. Because how are citizens to help themselves otherwise? Same with gambling boxes. Companies tell you, you have a 10% chance to get something specific. Did you get it after 10 tries? If not, did you just get unlucky? Surely it's in the NEXT BOX. If you think people can help themselves, i would advice you to go to a local seedy casino and see for youself, whether those people look like they are doing what they wish to do in life. - I would actually be happy if the government did something to remove the social pressure of drinking alcohol in germany, to get rid of the destroyed personalities that are harassing people all day at our local subway-stations. But nah, we're proud of our beer. - Last edited by Antaiseito on Oct 17, 2018, 5:52:44 AM
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god damn. you're right.
i really hope the government starts to govern all of these things and more. we need their governance. we as broken people are unable, incapable. hell i think i've dedicated too much time to this thread, i can feel the government saying its enough and will now cut off my access. surely i don't have the will to get off myself, and i don't mean to make the decision to stay here as long as i have. | |
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I hate random lootboxes in all games. Especially because there is usually only 1 item that I want from a large loottable. But you really want that one item... And I'm like "%$#%#$ I'll just try a few boxes"...
Last edited by silverdash on Oct 17, 2018, 3:48:57 PM
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People seem to forget there's a big difference in regulating or rightout banning stuff. Alcohol is regulated, which is addicting. Gambling in casino's is addictive and it's regulated.
Lootboxes use all the flags directly linked to gambling, but due to ancient laws, they are not considered gambling. They need to be regulated and the law should finally catch up to the digital age. ps. Again this should not mean they're banned, but properly regulated. | |
" Quite interesting how you say "we as broken people" to enforce your own argument and nope out of this thread, when i clearly stated that you as someone who has had the luxury to become strong-willed and/or smart enough to fight off all vices that plague your mind and/or body, are an exception. I would be glad if you proved me wrong though, when i look at the real world and see all those broken people every day. - Found an old thread of yours where you stated that you got too hooked on PoE to stop, but were smart/strong enough to switch your PC to one that could not run PoE, to force yourself not to play. What would you suggest people do that cannot stop buying MTX-boxes or rather only realize after the fact how much real money those "virtual internet points" they just spent on Gambling boxes were worth? (You think it's a coincidence that 1 PoE currency point is NOT 1 unit of real world money?) Edit: some clarification Last edited by Antaiseito on Oct 18, 2018, 6:47:24 AM
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