Path of exile is a free to play?

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SudianX wrote:

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sarannah101 wrote:

Yup, still free to play!

Just because there is incentive to spend money, does not mean it is not free to play.

This sounds just like the logic that justifies MTX that increases experience gain or increases quality or quantity of loots.

I remember once upon a time GGG claiming they did not want to become pay-to-win. But I suppose that is still a type of "free to play."

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drakgoku wrote:

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SudianX wrote:

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sarannah101 wrote:

Yup, still free to play!

Just because there is incentive to spend money, does not mean it is not free to play.

This sounds just like the logic that justifies MTX that increases experience gain or increases quality or quantity of loots.

I remember once upon a time GGG claiming they did not want to become pay-to-win. But I suppose that is still a type of "free to play."

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Shagsbeard wrote:

This question gets tossed around every three months or so, and never gets resolved because people have different meanings for "play" "free to play" "pay to win" and pretty much any other term involved in the discussion.

It's free to download. No one will argue with that.

You can create an account and create characters and progress through the game collecting items for killing monsters. There's an argument here about what I mean by "progress" because at some point you'll run out of stash space while you're progressing...

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鬼殺し wrote:

You say jaded, I say the scales have fallen from my eyes at last. Potato, tomato.

But I would say I felt this way long before recent events. I twitched when Chris said that about Mappers being essentially GGG's bitches. I twitched even harder when he said that PoE should be a game you can play while watching TV. Like, what a kick in the dick that was, as a big supporter, to hear that they'd implicitly given up trying to make the game tactically engaging. And the stash tab thing? I don't think I ever saw the game as truly playable on 4 stash tabs alone. I tried multi-clienting once, just to see. I HATED IT.

There comes a point where a game makes something so ridiculously unpleasant in its free form that pretty much everyone chooses the sanely-priced paid solution. And for the record, I do think $100 for PoE and $50 a year is good value. Very good value. And you can absolutely get by on that.

But that's not the point here. The question was, is the game free to play? That comes down to your definition of 'the game', or rather the most popular definition. The enduring definition.

And my response is, no. It's not. The walls might be slightly less obvious than a game where you have to pay to unlock areas (they're rare now) or where your relative power levels as a free player are woeful compared to a paid player...but there are walls. Long ones. You can trudge around them but no one who doesn't have to will. And the pricetag to just remove said walls is, as said, fairly sane.

I've definitely been making that argument for much longer than a month or two. :P

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DivineChampion wrote:

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drakgoku wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Yep. All this has been pointed out 100s of times. That's why I said "You'll likely want to" instead of "GGG is forcing you to". Pretty much the same meaning, but stated with a different bias. You can stoke this fight all you want, but it's pretty boring when it comes down to it.