[3.5] Oni-Goroshi Wild Strike/Molten Strike: (Slayer/Jugg, 7K+ HP, 5k+ Leech) ~ Uber Elder Down!

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greenimp77 wrote:

Well I didn't get as much time to play over the weekend as I wanted to, but I did manage to get to 75. So far the offense of the build is incredible - I was able to clear T15 no problem. I can only imagine how great it's going to be once I get about 15 more skill points and fill out the crit/multi nodes.

Defensively it feels a little squishy. I was getting randomly 1 shot. I'm at 6200 health so that could be improved. I think the -70% chaos res is the biggest problem. I'll just have to figure out where I can squeeze some in. This build is tough to balance gear with.

Lots of fun to play though! I'm looking forward to pushing it to 90.

Glad you're enjoying!
Do you specifically notice a pattern to what is oneshotting you?

Personally It's quite rare I get oneshot, since you practically have Immortal Call up every time you are hit for 3-4 seconds.

However, unlike previous leagues, Chaos Damage mobs are much more prevalent this time around (in incursions and temple). The most notable being those evil Vaal Constructs; a volley of them can easily wipe you out, but my tactic is to just dodge with whirling then oneshot the pack.

Note that I mentioned it in my guide, but this may be a good league to drop the Oskarm, and run a Tombfist. The extra -% Chaos resist is actually considerable; I have NO chaos resist on my gear, but at -60% I feel a lot "tankier" than when I was at -74% or whatever.

You can pick up a 1-socket Tombfist for very cheap; yes, you lose juicy power charges, but honestly Tombfist is probably overall superior since you get Intimidate, which basically equates to the same damage of the power charges anyway... and even better, works 100% of the time on bosses without adds. The extra abyss jewel is just icing.

Decided to farm my two Oni's before checking out this build, so I'm only starting today. I had a quick question about the tree while leveling; Prior to unlocking the duelist area, do you just beeline down there after filling out the small area around the Scion start, and then refund those later after unlocking Duelist?

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Alamandaros wrote:

Decided to farm my two Oni's before checking out this build, so I'm only starting today. I had a quick question about the tree while leveling; Prior to unlocking the duelist area, do you just beeline down there after filling out the small area around the Scion start, and then refund those later after unlocking Duelist?

I get asked this a lot... i may add some leveling trees if I get a chance.

Meanwhile, you are correct; I would do something like this while leveling:

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.3.0/AAAABAABAAHcBS0GIAaiFHUX3Bm0IWAj0yP2MHwxsDWSQKBHfkrITP9Nkk4qVvpbr2VNapNuqm8ndKB08XXLd9d343gNeu9_K4LkhNmKr419j2CQEZpqqW618r02vqe-vMAay_XUUti93L3nD-pi

Then move west towards the Marauder area, fill out life nodes, etc.
When you finish Uber Lab, you can drop all the pathing nodes down to Duelist area... it saves you something like 5 skill points.

You can also pick up the +30 int node near Vaal Pact, or Cloth & Chain in duelist area for more resists while leveling, if you need. With the Scion resist nodes, Sentinel, Alira bandit, and Cloth and Chain you practically have near cap resists all through leveling... makes things a breeze.

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How do you feel about infernal strike? I really wanted to make an oni-goroshi build this league but I am not crazy about the molten strike. Just don't like how the skill feels.
Will wild strike be fine on it's own? Don't think it will be good for killing bosses.
Infernal strike might be really good with this weapon after its rework, what do you think?

I'm up to 82 now and starting to have a survivability issue in top tier maps. I am constantly fighting against degen. Between Her Embrace and blood rage I've had to teleport out of maps a few times to avoid dieing from degen. On high density maps it isn't a problem, but if I have to go a few seconds without fighting it really starts to hurt.

POB says my leech rate is 3760 but it just doesn't feel like it.

Any suggestions?

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greenimp77 wrote:

I'm up to 82 now and starting to have a survivability issue in top tier maps. I am constantly fighting against degen. Between Her Embrace and blood rage I've had to teleport out of maps a few times to avoid dieing from degen. On high density maps it isn't a problem, but if I have to go a few seconds without fighting it really starts to hurt.

POB says my leech rate is 3760 but it just doesn't feel like it.

Any suggestions?

Strange; your gear looks decent enough, what's your HP at? It's hard to tell exactly what's wrong without a PoB pastebin. If you want to post one i'll take a look tonight.

I assume your resistances are capped, especially Fire? Also, you're running the Arakali pantheon?

The key note is that Her Embrace is, essentially, like Righteous Fire. If your Fire resist is not capped, and/or not running Arakali, you will take massive fire damage degen. This means if you are running a map with say, Elemental Weakness, and you only have 75% fire resist... that becomes like 40%. You will feel a lot of pain unless you constantly remember to have your Wise Oak up. Having 4000 leech doesn't matter if your degen is like 3000.

A big key to counteract this is to have your flasks set up properly. You do not have a "Of Warding" flask. That means you cannot negate stuff like elemental weakness. You should really have a Diamond Flask of Warding, so you are always curse immune in maps.

Make sure you pay a close attention to what map rolls are. I specifically mentioned in the "Cons" section of this build that you need to be very careful with the specfic map mod "Players have 40% (or 60%) reduced recovery of life/mana". This one isn't a problem for me with my gear, but when starting off/leveling, and on higher tier maps... I highly suggest you reroll over this.

This is because it heavily effects our leech; and this build, being a Slayer, is heavily reliant on leech as our primary defensive tool. If you leech 4000/second with 60% reduced... you are really only leeching 1600/second - which as you say, barely counteracts Her Embrace/Blood Rage.

(In my case, I leech around 4400HP/S and degen about 900/s, so I still net leech about 3500HP/S).

Also, I highly recommend you replace your Quicksilver with either a Granite Flask, a Rumi's Concotion, or Lion's Roar. The 3000 flat armor it provides is actually stronger than the Basalt Flask, especially if you roll it with "Iron Skin" suffix. With Basalt and Lion's Roar up, my physical mitigation goes from 28% to 74%. Endurance charges then bring it up well over 90% - it's a huge difference in mitigation.

(On a sidenote, pick up Iron Grip - it bumps up damage from both Molten Strike projectiles and Wild Strike "Icy Waves")

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KooperT wrote:

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greenimp77 wrote:

I'm up to 82 now and starting to have a survivability issue in top tier maps. I am constantly fighting against degen. Between Her Embrace and blood rage I've had to teleport out of maps a few times to avoid dieing from degen. On high density maps it isn't a problem, but if I have to go a few seconds without fighting it really starts to hurt.

POB says my leech rate is 3760 but it just doesn't feel like it.

Any suggestions?

Strange; your gear looks decent enough, what's your HP at? It's hard to tell exactly what's wrong without a PoB pastebin. If you want to post one i'll take a look tonight.

I assume your resistances are capped, especially Fire? Also, you're running the Arakali pantheon?

The key note is that Her Embrace is, essentially, like Righteous Fire. If your Fire resist is not capped, and/or not running Arakali, you will take massive fire damage degen. This means if you are running a map with say, Elemental Weakness, and you only have 75% fire resist... that becomes like 40%. You will feel a lot of pain unless you constantly remember to have your Wise Oak up. Having 4000 leech doesn't matter if your degen is like 3000.

A big key to counteract this is to have your flasks set up properly. You do not have a "Of Warding" flask. That means you cannot negate stuff like elemental weakness. You should really have a Diamond Flask of Warding, so you are always curse immune in maps.

(In my case, I leech around 4400HP/S and degen about 900/s, so I still net leech about 3500HP/S).

Also, I highly recommend you replace your Quicksilver with either a Granite Flask, a Rumi's Concotion, or Lion's Roar. The 3000 flat armor it provides is actually stronger than the Basalt Flask, especially if you roll it with "Iron Skin" suffix. With Basalt and Lion's Roar up, my physical mitigation goes from 28% to 74%. Endurance charges then bring it up well over 90% - it's a huge difference in mitigation.

HP is 6478.

Yes to capped fire res. Yes to Arakli. I'm 25% over on fire and with Wise Oak + End Charges I'm over by 80%!

I know the Quicksilver flask isn't optimal, but it's a personal playstyle necessity for me. I hate walking around slow. With the Basalt flask (with 99% inc armor) I'm at 71% phys reduction which isn't too shabby.

Here's my POB:
https://pastebin.com/spK6XEja

Thanks for taking the time to look into it! The dps is incredible with this build, I would really just like to not feel like I'm constantly on the edge of death.

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How do you feel about infernal strike? I really wanted to make an oni-goroshi build this league but I am not crazy about the molten strike. Just don't like how the skill feels.
Will wild strike be fine on it's own? Don't think it will be good for killing bosses.
Infernal strike might be really good with this weapon after its rework, what do you think?

I personally haven't done much testing with Infernal Strike... but from what I've read, it's rather lackluster. The single target DPS is extremely mediocre, inclusive of the new "explosion" buffs. It is far weaker than traditional single target abilities like Molten Strike, Blade Flurry, Double Strike, or Heavy Strike. Like, it won't even come close.

Wild Strike is primarily for clearing trash; it's very similar to Reave; both suck for bosses. You need a secondary single target DPS skill.

If you really dislike Molten Strike, I would opt for Blade Flurry or Heavy Strike with 2x threshold jewels. But keep in mind Molten Strike is the best for this build because it allows for 100% fire conversion. You won't easily be able to convert any other skill.

The adventures of LauraVanderbooben

I just want to say thank you again KooperT. This has been my favorite build so far, I'm usually someone who plays multiple builds each league in a short time, quitting soon after because nothing feels great and I'm running out of currency, but I've been playing this one pretty much since the league started and I enjoy it more every day.

A few things I, as a pretty shitty player, noticed while playing and leveling this build.

Even though I played Abyss & Bestiary, this is the first time I decided to spend more than a few days in the league.

I started the league like I always do: pick a random build that feels good for the start, get through the story, find all trials (or check in global 820) and buy an uberlab carry. Map until I get enough Chaos Orbs to buy one Oni-Goroshi.

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Items & Gems I used for leveling


Skill Tree Progression while leveling
The choices I made were results of what I felt was necessary at that current level.


Notes on Leech and Vaal Pact


My current gear and PoB Link


This ended up being way longer than I anticipated. I reformatted the post so I don't clutter up an entire page with this.
I hope this might serve as point of view from a relatively unexperienced player when it comes to endgame. Thanks again, this build has been a blast so far.