POE sure seems to be losing a lot of steam

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Cynaris wrote:

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Dudebag wrote:

you do that in D3/wow where all garbage belong.

Way to lose all credibility.

Exactly. A big issue with the PoE community is that any problem that is found in the game is adressed with "It's way better than Blactivision's Auction House Simulator! LOL" which adds absolutely nothing to solving the issue. I myself don't care at all if PoE is better than D3 or not, what I care about is that it lags, melee is broken, people get ninja'd and other stuff. Also, it being in beta is in no way an excuse for not voicing valid concerns -because, you know, betas are for that, actually- so "whining" about the same issues over and over and them not being adressed just causes more "whining" since, you know, issues aren't getting resolved -promising that eventually they are fixing everything of course helps, and I know they will, but it is our responsibility as beta testers to keep complaining in an adequate manner on all the broken stuff until they fix it.
Cheers

complaining until issue is fixed is our job?


nvm i have no time to talk to garbage or a wall.


enjoy your day, hopefully i dont see you in game.

bye.

I personally left the game because of the no item restoration policy.

I don't plan to waste hundreds of hours of my time without an insurance policy of some sort.

I'm noticing I'm playing less and less as time goes on. It's one of those odd things in that I really really like a lot of things about PoE, but the things I don't like are kind of deal breakers or just really frustrate me or put me off to playing.

Diversity and difficulty kind of go hand in hand. If you put them on either end of a scale, your goal would be to get them to weigh the same or as close as possible. This was something that you could feel during closed beta, a high level of difficulty that took some skill and knowledge of your build to overcome, yet not so difficult that you couldn't have some fun with your build and maybe throw a couple things in that just make it different. That was what really gave your character it's flavor and it's diversity, not really skill gems or gear.

Now after Open Beta, the game just feels so stagnantly and artificially difficult. My builds no longer revolve around what I want to do with them, but whether they can survive after lvl 40 without needing to over-level the content by 10-15 levels. The focus is pure survival, rather than customization. With the inadequate effectiveness of most all of the defensive stats except for Resists and Health, it shifts the whole focus of the passive tree into making your build have as much health as possible while still being able to kill somewhat efficiently. It's not a choice of being able to kill faster but be squishier, you're already squishy even if you put every point into defensive and health nodes. In fact there's very little choice at all, which was kind of the point of the passive tree.

I don't think the game is dying, it might be losing some steam but that's to be expected more or less. What I see as the problem is that if the design decisions that went into making the game the way that it is right now currently are actually intentional. If the intent is to make the game so difficult and so painful, as well as restricting customization through difficulty, that only 1% of your player base really has any fun, then you can intelligently guess that only 1% of your player base will remain.

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FrodoFraggins wrote:

My opinion is that after desync, they need to focus on much a better trading system, much better low level combat experience and much much better art direction in the first 2 acts. I think there are major issues with the way the races are run as well but those only cater to a small percentage of the population.

What do you mean with this? Whats wrong with the trading system how it is right now ? You have a Forum and a trade chat and you are forced to interact with the community to trade things. Is this a bad thing?

What you mean with better low level combat experiance? Make it easier? Give people more attack gems through quests?

Its interesting btw how you have no real numbers and creating facts using numbers that you imagine. And btw a Game at start has always a higher peak. And there is a simple reason, people just try it? Sounds somehow mhh logic isnt it? And btw I love people that say "You have to improve somehow, I don't know how but do it!"

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you do that in D3/wow where all garbage belong.

Good job on being one of the shining examples of people wanting to leave.

I don't give a shit about how much you hate Diablo 3.

This is not conducive for a beta-testing atmosphere, meeting all criticisms and feedback with "OMG THIS GAME IS PERFECT GO BACK TO D3!"

When several people are bringing up the same issue and several of them actually go into detail about the issue AND possible fixes, that isn't "bitching" or "whining" or "being a D3 carebear".

Common sense would tell you that that means something is DEFINITELY wrong with something in the game.





I swear, some of you morons that call yourself "fans" are so concerned with what you felt Diablo 3 did wrong and bitch and carry on about it like Diablo 3 mugged you on a street corner and stole your kidney.

You didn't like it, you moved to PoE. Case closed. Issue over. You're playing PoE now and it also has a few gameplay problems.

GROW THE FUCK UP.

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What do you mean with this? Whats wrong with the trading system how it is right now ? You have a Forum and a trade chat and you are forced to interact with the community to trade things. Is this a bad thing?

It's said this game is so much like Diablo 2 and it's missing it's "easy to find buyers" system:

You made a game saying you're selling something, people show up in droves to trade.


In this game, you either have to dig around countless forum posts looking for them THEN arrange a meeting place in the game, THEN trade

OR

Spam trade chat with thousands of others with tons of item links and pray someone whispers you with offers.

I will close this thread if anyone else makes a post about D3.

This thread is about the momentum of Path of Exile as it stands. You may MENTION D3 if it serves your argument but the speed at which this is going off the rails is astounding.

First and last warning.

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ArmoredChocobo wrote:

You didn't like it, you moved to PoE. Case closed. Issue over. You're playing PoE now and it also has a few gameplay problems.

You are right. But in what way has GGG not proven to be listening?
They already said they are working on the desync.
They are also bringing in more melee skills (next in 2 weeks) and reworking the Duelist tree. They already said they are bringing in a better solution to trading that will make it easier for buyer and seller to find each other.

These things don't happen overnight. Any reason you can't give them some weeks to get the stuff done? I highly doubt they would claim they are bringing it in and not mean it.
You people constantly act as if GGG were turning a blind eye to the issues at hand, which isn't the case at all.

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zankioh wrote:

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ArmoredChocobo wrote:

You didn't like it, you moved to PoE. Case closed. Issue over. You're playing PoE now and it also has a few gameplay problems.

You are right. But in what way has GGG not proven to be listening?
They already said they are working on the desync.
They are also bringing in more melee skills (next in 2 weeks) and reworking the Duelist tree. They already said they are bringing in a better solution to trading that will make it easier for buyer and seller to find each other.

These things don't happen overnight. Any reason you can't give them some weeks to get the stuff done? I highly doubt they would claim they are bringing it in and not mean it.
You people constantly act as if GGG were turning a blind eye to the issues at hand, which isn't the case at all.

I loved how you shoved words in my mouth that were never EVER uttered. You should go into Congress.

I never said they're NOT working on it. I said they ARE, but what makes you so sure it solves the problem?

They're fixing duelists, not shadow melees, not marauder melees. DUELISTS. Not's not a wide-encompassing melee fix, it's a fix to a class that was seriously underperforming compared to every other class path in pretty much everything. Might even make Duelists overpowered at something, do you know?

As far as I read, they are adding A (as in a singular) extra AoE melee skill. Unless this ability also generates endurance charges on hit and is useable with every weapon, it's not gonna dent the sour deal melee has compared to ranged.

Even if it did, it might still not do anything for them. Melee's got a lot of sour deals going for them (having to face-tank tons of mobs at once but do the same damage as ranged, armor and evasion being almost useless at endgame, life-stacking, etc).

Their desync solution may not fix desync at all and just lessen it, or fix desync but make disconnections twice as common.

They're bringing in a new trading solution, great. Will it work?


It all needs testing, and that's what we're here for.

but, Testing also means people are gonna bitch that someone's "whining". Then we're back into this same conversation ad hominem.


In short, I acknowlege it's being worked on, but if it WORKS is entirely a different story. Don't assume "working on it" means "fixed forever" until we actually see it work.

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Dudebag wrote:

complaining until issue is fixed is our job?


nvm i have no time to talk to garbage or a wall.


enjoy your day, hopefully i dont see you in game.

bye.

I guess it was far easier to blow out of proportion my last statement (paraphrasing it, of course, so that it no longer contains the "adequately") was a lot easier than actually thinking about it. Yes, complaining is our jobs as beta testers. They don't have us playing just because they love us, we have to test the game and see what's broken and tell them. If they don't listen, we tell them again. I didn't say we bitch until we get what we want, but complain until the issues are resolved. Also, I do accept that not everything brought up as an issue is actually an issue. But well, keep on being a shining example of the PoE community.
Cheers

Edit: @ArmoredChocobo QFT