Multi-Boxing. Finally. The facts.

Wow, a 30+ page thread in one day?

As for on topic: multiboxing is currently allowed as long as it's not automated, there's no question there. However I'm going ask it this way: if hypothetically GGG could just flip a switch and prevent people multiboxing without any additional effort on enforcing it on their side, would they do it or not? I think you can draw your moral conclusion from that.

Oh, I'm sure the devs aren't finished with the idea of multiboxing, but I don't think you can expect a response in this thread. They have quite a schedule right now and I don't see multiboxing as being anywhere as near as pertinent as, yknow, the flavour of last month, loot system...

"

Rugs wrote:

Stopping multies by only allowing one client per IP would prolly stop most multies as I take it that playing several accounts through proxies would be a pain, but I don’t know, it might not.

Making multiple accounts through proxies arent tough, but may deter 'multies' as you call them. I personally think 2 per IP might be better for those who wish to have a mule account and be able to trade between them. Such as me and many more people.

"

AintCare wrote:

"

Charan wrote:

They're not going to ban multiboxing. Aint happening. Accounts are free, and what you do with them provided you do not automate is entirely up to you.

and multiboxing is not automating the remaining accounts? it is controlled by a script after all- that copies the inputs of the physical device, so technically it i a variation of a bot... this is cool with me, cuz I would like to get my bot going... I want a response from GGG allowing me to bot, since other do it too

its either you ban it all or you really do ffa with 3rd party software

Its only too bad Multiboxing isnt automating anything at all.

"

AintCare wrote:

"

LogoOnPoE wrote:

Wow, a 30+ page thread in one day?

As for on topic: multiboxing is currently allowed as long as it's not automated, there's no question there. However I'm going ask it this way: if hypothetically GGG could just flip a switch and prevent people multiboxing without any additional effort on enforcing it on their side, would they do it or not? I think you can draw your moral conclusion from that.

again- it is just a technicality of how you would define automation.

And I think we should go with the people who make the rules to see what the definition of automation is. To GGG so far....replication does not equal automation. To MOST gaming companies this is true.

The closest thing I've seen to an official response was here: http://www.twitch.tv/destructoid/b/367425090?t=1h24m

That automating between clients is an unfair advantage... not crystal clear ruling, but enough that I won't do it atleast

"

AintCare wrote:

if you want to get really technical about this stuff buddeh then you could look at multiboxing as controlling accounts with a script (because it IS done with a script, therefore not the player- therefore player does NOT cpntrol them directly (only indirectly)

so if controlling account indirectly its ok then why can't I design a bot that I will control with a script, that will run 24/7?

I will agree with you that multies are in the need of a swift banning, but until GGG says so, they are just as much a player as you or me. The fact that multiboxer programs actually make every click and every keystroke is far different than a bot, where you make NO keystrokes and NO mouse clicks/movements.

Bots are completely automated and require no input except for the initial start of the program.

If you let a multibox program alone, guess what? It would do nothing. Whether it does nothing with one account or 6 means nothing, it still doesnt nothing if you leave it alone. The bot on the other hand will still operate without user input. THAT is automation. Multibox requires input and it copies your actions multiple times...THAT is replication.

"

AintCare wrote:

I like how you quoted everything out of context- here will help you
...
read the whole things this time

Reposting your whole thing wont help your case. If anything, its spam.

I only quoted the part I was arguing against, and I in no fashion attacked the other portions of your post anyway. Those may or may not have been valid. I also said I AGREED with you about multies need banning, if you decided to read anything I posted without insta-hate.

My point still stands, Multiboxing is not automation, its replication. Botting is automation.

"

AintCare wrote:

"

Zalm wrote:

"

AintCare wrote:

I like how you quoted everything out of context- here will help you
...
read the whole things this time

Reposting your whole thing wont help your case. If anything, its spam.

I only quoted the part I was defending, and I in no fashion attacked the other portions of your post anyway. Those may or may not have been valid. I also said I AGREED with you about multies need banning, if you decided to read anything I posted without insta-hate.

My point still stands, Multiboxing is not automation, its replication. Botting is automation.

so replication is ok? so if I manage to make copies (back ups) of my HC chars by accessing the code that would be OK? cuz I will be very interested in doing that

I don't care what you call it- it is cheating, and in this game should be banned

Replication is fine, accessing the game files in that manner is not ok. That is considered hacking and also a bannable offence here at GGG. At least I assume. I am not in any way associated with GG, I am simple defending their decisions to the best of my knowledge, and I hope the mods or Devs correct me if I am wrong at any time.

And I dont care what you call it, its not cheating until GGG says it is.

"

Zalm wrote:

Replication is fine, accessing the game files in that manner is not ok. That is considered hacking and also a bannable offence here at GGG. At least I assume. I am not in any way associated with GG, I am simple defending their decisions to the best of my knowledge, and I hope the mods or Devs correct me if I am wrong at any time.

And I dont care what you call it, its not cheating until GGG says it is.

That's not what they said on the stream: http://www.twitch.tv/destructoid/b/367425090?t=1h24m

Basicly, automating clicks between clients (i.e. having one mouse click replicated to every character) is NOT OK. It's not as good as an official posted response, but it atleast shows their general stance on the matter.

"

cryptc wrote:

"

Zalm wrote:

Replication is fine, accessing the game files in that manner is not ok. That is considered hacking and also a bannable offence here at GGG. At least I assume. I am not in any way associated with GG, I am simple defending their decisions to the best of my knowledge, and I hope the mods or Devs correct me if I am wrong at any time.

And I dont care what you call it, its not cheating until GGG says it is.

That's not what they said on the stream: http://www.twitch.tv/destructoid/b/367425090?t=1h24m

Basicly, automating clicks between clients (i.e. having one mouse click replicated to every character) is NOT OK. It's not as good as an official posted response, but it atleast shows their general stance on the matter.

I honestly have no idea when and where they said it, but if they said that replication is wrong, then multiboxing is wrong. But I didnt hear it....I clicked and it was pretty much muted or something...no sound whatsoever.

So I guess I'll have to wait till Cris comes on here and confirms this.

I must reiterate this again, as I have before.

I do not multibox, nor will I ever. I am simply standing by what is the assumed position of GGG through comments made by Moderators.