Buggy and frustrating Shaper /Elder influence system

I'm really getting frustrated with the Atlas. Half a dozen times this afternoon, I specifically run a map that has Shaper influence, that is beside elder influence. I periodically press G to check the influence... kill enough mobs and boom! now the map has NO influence! It doesn't make any sense.

I'll do the same "method" on a different map and it works as expected ( Elder takes the map over) but half the time I either get this wacky behavior or even worse, Elder influence retreats!

At the beginning of this league I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread. 2nd best league next to Breach. Now I think this is the worst league. The influence system is punitive, and clumsy. On top of this strange buggy behavior, you also have to be careful and not finish the map or it can go from shaper, to elder to no influence. So, the game punishes you for the existence of the influence system and you get screwed out of the potential drops left in the map. This can feel really punitive if you need to change influence, in a t14 or t15. It can also be expensive buying 2 of a t15 map cuz you need to change influence, then run it AGAIN for the shaper orb.

Also, I'm STILL stuck at 11/15 shaper orbs. I've spread influence all over the map, tier 1-15 and there are no other orbs. Do I have to kill Elder or what?

What a terrible system. Who designed this shit?

More likely, it's your misunderstanding rather than "buggy". They really should have an official post explaining how the new system works so that people don't blame unexpected outcomes on bugs. There's no evidence that you're suffering from a bug. Just lack of knowledge.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

More likely, it's your misunderstanding rather than "buggy". They really should have an official post explaining how the new system works so that people don't blame unexpected outcomes on bugs. There's no evidence that you're suffering from a bug. Just lack of knowledge.

Feel free to correct me. A map has Shaper influence, and it is beside ( connected) to map/s that have Elder influence. I run the Shaper influenced map expecting Elder to take it over. The Shaper influenced map becomes either a) no influence or Elder fking retreats.

This is expected and perfectly normal? Come on man.

I've tried my absolute best to make my post/s on this subject perfectly clear. If there's something I don't understand I need to know, otherwise this is fucked up. Either way it's very frustrating.

Dunno. Haven't seen the official post yet. And I'm no expert. But there are people out there doing things that can only be done by understanding the system better than I do.

Might have something to do with killing the boss. Might not.

Might be all sorts of things.

But yes... it's my understanding too that if you fully clear a map on the border of the Shaper/Elder influence, it swaps sides. Dunno though. There might be exceptions. I know that you can't have more than 30 Elder maps at once. That might have something to do with it.

What makes you think elder should take over a neighboring map with shaper influence on it?

You remove the shaper influence by clearing the map = that's what happens.

Following your logic, elder should instantly spread the entire atlas system since it always has a dozen of "empty" maps bordering it.

You can however, clear a map so elder has the potential to take it over in the near future and then run some non-influenced maps.
Every map you run on the atlas behaves like a "next day" movement in time on it.(simulating the war)

After running a few maps, elder might have decided to take it over and claim it or shaper has re-emerged to claim it and block of elder.

Peace,

-Boem-

The way their influence moves is subject to complete RNG. You can often ping pong them on the same map arund 6 times before the influence completely dissapears and moves elsewhere. I think it was GGG's attempt to discourage players from running the same map over and over and benefitting from both elder and shaper influence.

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Nephalim wrote:

The way their influence moves is subject to complete RNG. You can often ping pong them on the same map arund 6 times before the influence completely dissapears and moves elsewhere. I think it was GGG's attempt to discourage players from running the same map over and over and benefitting from both elder and shaper influence.

This is still entirely possible, but it requires you to put a guardian on an adjacent map to the map you want to "ping pong".

And then "shrinking" the elder influence.

-Shaper no longer needs to attack elder influence all over the place(high chance of constantly taking over the map)
-elder guardian ensures map is constantly re-taken after a shaper clear.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

What makes you think elder should take over a neighboring map with shaper influence on it?

Uh gee, let me think, because I've done it repeatedly many times?

Peace,

-Boem-

edit: and just did it on purpose a moment ago.

My problem /question is this is reproducible, until it's not. It's a fucked up frustrating system that doesn't make sense.

They made it annoying on purpose cause that's what they do, annoy people with frustrating and punishing game mechanics.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Boem wrote:

What makes you think elder should take over a neighboring map with shaper influence on it?

Uh gee, let me think, because I've done it repeatedly many times?

Peace,

-Boem-

edit: and just did it on purpose a moment ago.

My problem /question is this is reproducible, until it's not. It's a fucked up frustrating system that doesn't make sense.

The rule is "can" not "does".

He can take over if you beat a shaper influenced neighbor map. Like i explained, if you wanna increase your odds of elder spreading where you cleaned off shaper, go run some other maps to proq both of them to take actions.

He does take it over frequently, but it's not a guaranteed outcome, was my point.

Peace,

-Boem-