Honestly fuck these loot boxes.

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Sarno wrote:
Mystery boxes are anti-consumer and I wish I wasn’t the only one who cared.


I care, that's why I've never bought one and never will. If other people want to throw their money away on them that's their problem.
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:
4) Children have always been pulled into gambling as well, you just haven't noticed it yourself. Kinder surprises, 1$ toy machines, chips / cereal with prizes in them, new bottle of coke under cork etc. In practice they're essentially the same so the children argument can't be brought up here.


That's a far stretch. You don't buy those sweets for the toys, you buy them for the chocolate. You don't buy a bunch of them hoping to get 1 specific toy, you buy a bunch if you have multiple kids or buy more for later. This way each kid has a little surprise. And FYI, even those kids trade their toys if they like the other one's better.

Cereal... same thing. You buy them for the cereal. You give the toy to the kid. You collect them as you buy more cereal. You don't gamble here, you just buy a product with a free toy inside.


It is STILL gambling. You don't know which product will be inside and excess consumption is still applied to finally get what they want. You can trade them as much as you want, you gamble on what you get, it doesn't matter how it's masked.

You're implying that if GGG adds a weta pet for every loot box, then it's not gambling anymore.
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Misleading thread title.
There's no loot in those boxes.
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:
You're implying that if GGG adds a weta pet for every loot box, then it's not gambling anymore.


That's exactly correct. If they'd rename it to Weta Box, then you'd know what you'd buy and the added mystery thing is just a bonus.

Buying cereal with toys in it is not gambling. I don't pay for the toy, I pay for the cereal. I ALWAYS get my cereal, no matter what. That's the difference.


I'm not sure if you're intentional disingenuous or you just don't understand the concept of gambling. Big part of your intentions is getting the random loot, not the weta pet. Same way how for children their main intention with that bag of chips is to get their dream Mew Two Pokemon card.
Your idea implies that if a casino gives you a bottle of coke after each round, it's not gambling. I was hoping that the weta example would be ridiculous enough but it seems like it wasn't.
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Last edited by Kiss_Me_Quick on Jan 24, 2018, 5:51:26 AM
First off: I do not like these kind of MTX'.

But: As far as I know, they DO tell you the odds for the different items available. If you know basic mathematics/probability, you know that you WILL be left with duplicates if you buy many crates. If you then decide to whine afterwards, you either a) have a problem with gambling or b) have a problem with basic mathematics.

But(#2), I do think loot crate deals like these is a sleazy way of doing business.
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And yet again, if I were to buy the coke, then it wouldn't be gambling. Gambling is what you do at the tables. If you pay for chips to participate, then you are gambling. If I pay for a coke and get extra chips, then I'm not. If I use those chips to play at the table, then I'm gambling.


You don't pay real money to buy cereal boxes? How have I been so stupid the whole time and paid for them. If you get a SPECIFIC amount of chips, then you're obviously not gambling but if you get a RANDOM amount of chips, you are.


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Boxes are a game of chance; I pay a fee for a random reward (in a nutshell).

Buying a box of cereal with a toy in it is not gambling. I always get a fixed reward.

Check your facts before you spout such nonsense.


Cereal prizes are a game of chance; I pay a fee for a random reward (in a nutshell).

Playing in a casino is not gambling. I always get a fixed reward of a coke bottle.


In your words A = B but B = / = A

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:


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Boxes are a game of chance; I pay a fee for a random reward (in a nutshell).

Buying a box of cereal with a toy in it is not gambling. I always get a fixed reward.

Check your facts before you spout such nonsense.


In your words A = B but B = / = A


money = lootbox, lootbox = / = money..

because we cant fucking refund the duplicates!

Cant give them away to friends

Cant salvage them for exact same points they are priced by GGG

Cant do jack sht about it.

So yeah.. In your words A = B but B = / = A is true in here.
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webas wrote:
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:


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Boxes are a game of chance; I pay a fee for a random reward (in a nutshell).

Buying a box of cereal with a toy in it is not gambling. I always get a fixed reward.

Check your facts before you spout such nonsense.


In your words A = B but B = / = A


money = lootbox, lootbox = / = money..

because we cant fucking refund the duplicates!

Cant give them away to friends

Cant salvage them for exact same points they are priced by GGG

Cant do jack sht about it.

So yeah.. In your words A = B but B = / = A is true in here.


Giving them to friends or salvaging makes it less gambling? WHAT. If GGG lets you sell your stuff for 1 point each, it's not gambling anymore.
Dawg, you being angry at your financial decisions, does not magically bend reality.
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