ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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But, they would go insane if the abusive lying hatred thing they are doing to trump happened to them.


why dont you make a comprehensive list of the lies you think people tell about that sad wreck Trump. Then make a list of the lies he is telling. You could even post those lists here. :-)
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Turtledove wrote:
Trump did pick off a fair amount of democrats in the 2016 election. A statistic I just heard was that one third of the people at Trump rallies are not even Republicans. Doesn't that support the theory that many of his core supporters are in fact Apprentice fans?

Um, no? lol. Is it really hard to believe there are actual reasons, that people voted for him? Being famous doesn't mean people vote for you. I mean is this apprentice thing the latest, crazy theory people are coming up with, instead of facing the reality the man actual says good things that people like?



First off, being a celebrity does help get people elected to public office. This is a known fact. Your silly implication that I was claiming that it was the ONLY reason people voted for him is a silly straw horse argument. What's another explanation for a third of the attendees at his rallies not being Republicans?

Since you seem unwilling to discuss things instead of being off the wall, let me give an example of a potentially better response, hint: Trump does not hold traditional Republican views in many areas. This might be another explanation for so many people not affiliated with the Republican party to attend his rallies.
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If America is a wounded nation, then quite arguably, none of the given candidates was about to heal its wounds. In fact, everybody should know that by now.

But who can help heal those wounds, if no one in the political system could stand tall enough? What I am curious is, if even a turnip had been a better choice for Americans, had Trump supporters voted for Sanders instead?

I do think something was lost in the way. Please forgive me for my arrogance to suggest as an outsider these voting options, since there was a poll where pretty interesting opinions were gathered together of Americans' voting preferences. I might still have it somewhere in my bookmarks.

Maybe it could never have been Bernie Sanders, considering how varied interpretations of socialism there are among Americans. What I think is missing, is a mutual trust and respect. Basic communication demands both. Oh, and also it requires a common language. Not in the sense of 'I know how our vocabulary works', but in a shared experience of a world in which 'true and false things can be said'. Ambiguities is another/not a (pick your piece, they still don't give out their meaning) thing, in which nothing is being said. We also use constantly ambiguities to disguise that nothing was really answered. Lastly, people simply tell stories to themselves. The last one I think can be dangerous, because it breaks up language. One can intently listen to what the other party is saying, it sounding all seemingly incomprehensible. I believe that is us, dear specimen. This makes me worried, because we can't really solve some of the most urgent common threats without first solving the problem of a problem-solver. In my admittedly negative view, mankind so far hasn't earned the best grades on how to rule Earth (and I am anything but sure if at our current state we should try, either). Not trying to make judgments here (as we cannot ever know whether some avian creature would've handled it's history or future perspectives any better), just giving a very personal report on state of affairs.

Until the 1900's there was seemingly much more time to waste on petty bickering, seemingly to me. There were also less people, overall. What I consider a more general problem translates to smaller, local conflicts, where people see their place as a member of their community. People are pack animals, after all. Their genuine sense of belonging to a pack cannot cross certain limits (even if we imagined ourselves to cross such limits). I'd hate to witness America becoming 'too big to fail'. Our family has always respected America very much. I think my countrymen are having similar issues on not understanding what each other is actually saying, or if he is saying anything meaningful at all. It's hard to stress enough how speech loses it's function when would-be-communicators do not agree on state of facts on almost any level. It cuts off cooperation.
So, it's also an epistemological problem, although I am not saying there aren't any relevant other methods to look at it.

Wow, amazing spelling correction. It helps me spot some of my old basic errors on writing English. Good technology.
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vmt80 wrote:
If America is a wounded nation, then quite arguably, none of the given candidates was about to heal its wounds. In fact, everybody should know that by now.

But who can help heal those wounds, if no one in the political system could stand tall enough? What I am curious is, if even a turnip had been a better choice for Americans, had Trump supporters voted for Sanders instead?

I do think something was lost in the way. Please forgive me for my arrogance to suggest as an outsider these voting options, since there was a poll where pretty interesting opinions were gathered together of Americans' voting preferences. I might still have it somewhere in my bookmarks.

Maybe it could never have been Bernie Sanders, considering how varied interpretations of socialism there are among Americans. What I think is missing, is a mutual trust and respect. Basic communication demands both. Oh, and also it requires a common language. Not in the sense of 'I know how our vocabulary works', but in a shared experience of a world in which 'true and false things can be said'. Ambiguities is another/not a (pick your piece, they still don't give out their meaning) thing, in which nothing is being said. We also use constantly ambiguities to disguise that nothing was really answered. Lastly, people simply tell stories to themselves. The last one I think can be dangerous, because it breaks up language. One can intently listen to what the other party is saying, it sounding all seemingly incomprehensible. I believe that is us, dear specimen. This makes me worried, because we can't really solve some of the most urgent common threats without first solving the problem of a problem-solver. In my admittedly negative view, mankind so far hasn't earned the best grades on how to rule Earth (and I am anything but sure if at our current state we should try, either). Not trying to make judgments here (as we cannot ever know whether some avian creature would've handled it's history or future perspectives any better), just giving a very personal report on state of affairs.

Until the 1900's there was seemingly much more time to waste on petty bickering, seemingly to me. There were also less people, overall. What I consider a more general problem translates to smaller, local conflicts, where people see their place as a member of their community. People are pack animals, after all. Their genuine sense of belonging to a pack cannot cross certain limits (even if we imagined ourselves to cross such limits). I'd hate to witness America becoming 'too big to fail'. Our family has always respected America very much. I think my countrymen are having similar issues on not understanding what each other is actually saying, or if he is saying anything meaningful at all. It's hard to stress enough how speech loses it's function when would-be-communicators do not agree on state of facts on almost any level. It cuts off cooperation.
So, it's also an epistemological problem, although I am not saying there aren't any relevant other methods to look at it.

Wow, amazing spelling correction. It helps me spot some of my old basic errors on writing English. Good technology.


Hillary Clinton was a majorly flawed candidate. There were three primary problems making her such a flawed candidate. First, just the opposite of her husband, she did not come across on TV or political rally type settings as a very likable person. Reporting indicates that she was actually very likable in small private settings. She garnered extremely strong loyalty from her staff, for example. Second, she had been the target of Republicans for years in concerted smear campaigns. Third, like her husband instead of being open and transparent she had a tendency to try to keep private items private. The second and third items I listed feed into Trump's "Crooked Hillary" smear.

There were some Bernie Sander's voters that didn't vote or voted for Trump. This was because Hillary was a flawed candidate and also because the party didn't fully heal after the primaries, for multiple reasons.

Regarding America choosing Trump, true Trump won the election. He just barely won though. He won the electoral college vote by 77,000 votes in just three states. He lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes across the whole USA.

I personally would have liked to see Bernie Sanders win the primary. The reason he didn't win is because he started as an almost completely unknown candidate nationally. He recovered on this problem significantly and had good momentum at the end but could never make up all the lost ground from the slow start. His socialism tag wasn't really a problem for him in the primary, although it would have been a cause of concern for the general election, if he had won the primary.

One must keep in mind that the USA voters are generally divided into 3 categories. The Republican base that votes in the primaries, the Democratic base that votes in the primaries and a large group of people that vote in the general election but not in the primaries.
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Turtledove wrote:
One must keep in mind that the USA voters are generally divided into 3 categories. The Republican base that votes in the primaries, the Democratic base that votes in the primaries and a large group of people that vote in the general election but not in the primaries.
136.6 million voted in the 2016 general presidential election.
31.2 million, or 22.8% of the functional electorate, voted in the 2016 Republican presidential primary. 14.0 million, or 10.2% of the functional electorate, voted for Trump in the primary.
30.6 million, or 22.4% of the functional electorate, voted in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary. 16.9 million, or 12.4%, voted for Clinton in the primary.
About 55% of 2016 general election voters — 11 in 20 — didn't vote in a primary and were left to choose between two dubious options.

The logic is completely backward. If you're a diehard partisan the primary doesn't influence your general election vote — you're going to vote with your party regardless. If you're not a diehard partisan, then the primary results are the kind of thing that could make you switch from one party to the other, and thus you have more reason to be invested in deciding those results.

Instead, you've got two minorities, each less than 25% of the functional electorate, playing a game of chicken with political extremism — if their candidate is more moderate and/or clean than their opponent, they win, but the less moderate and/or clean their candidate, the more they gain. If you think this would encourage moderation over time… noop.

We need to get out the message to Americans that those who don't vote in the primaries are disenfranchising themselves. We need to strip away corrupt superdelegate structures that allow party leadership to nominate someone other than the democratic choice of the people. We need to repeal bullshit laws that prevent a nonpartisan voter from having a voice in one primary if they've voted, or plan to vote, in the other primary. We need to enact safeguards to ensure that anyone who wants to run for federal office cannot be rejected by both major parties. The US voting system is broken, and it is broken at the primary level. The general election is a fair fight between two corrupt teams, and no matter who wins at least 85% of the functional electorate loses.
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Donnerdrummel wrote:
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But, they would go insane if the abusive lying hatred thing they are doing to trump happened to them.


why dont you make a comprehensive list of the lies you think people tell about that sad wreck Trump. Then make a list of the lies he is telling. You could even post those lists here. :-)

It’s not as if he said Trump was the hero of the people. You’re not refuting anything here. It is true that being a reality star helped elect Trump, but not because people are gullible and like the TV. Quite the opposite, they’re sick of the TV, and Trump made a career saying “You’re fired!”
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:
One must keep in mind that the USA voters are generally divided into 3 categories. The Republican base that votes in the primaries, the Democratic base that votes in the primaries and a large group of people that vote in the general election but not in the primaries.
136.6 million voted in the 2016 general presidential election.
31.2 million, or 22.8% of the functional electorate, voted in the 2016 Republican presidential primary. 14.0 million, or 10.2% of the functional electorate, voted for Trump in the primary.
30.6 million, or 22.4% of the functional electorate, voted in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary. 16.9 million, or 12.4%, voted for Clinton in the primary.
About 55% of 2016 general election voters — 11 in 20 — didn't vote in a primary and were left to choose between two dubious options.

The logic is completely backward. If you're a diehard partisan the primary doesn't influence your general election vote — you're going to vote with your party regardless. If you're not a diehard partisan, then the primary results are the kind of thing that could make you switch from one party to the other, and thus you have more reason to be invested in deciding those results.

Instead, you've got two minorities, each less than 25% of the functional electorate, playing a game of chicken with political extremism — if their candidate is more moderate and/or clean than their opponent, they win, but the less moderate and/or clean their candidate, the more they gain. If you think this would encourage moderation over time… noop.

We need to get out the message to Americans that those who don't vote in the primaries are disenfranchising themselves. We need to strip away corrupt superdelegate structures that allow party leadership to nominate someone other than the democratic choice of the people. We need to repeal bullshit laws that prevent a nonpartisan voter from having a voice in one primary if they've voted, or plan to vote, in the other primary. We need to enact safeguards to ensure that anyone who wants to run for federal office cannot be rejected by both major parties. The US voting system is broken, and it is broken at the primary level. The general election is a fair fight between two corrupt teams, and no matter who wins at least 85% of the functional electorate loses.


Nice post, as a bonus I got a good chuckle at the end. Thank you.
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Turtledove wrote:


Hillary Clinton was a majorly flawed candidate. There were three primary problems making her such a flawed candidate. First, just the opposite of her husband, she did not come across on TV or political rally type settings as a very likable person. Reporting indicates that she was actually very likable in small private settings. She garnered extremely strong loyalty from her staff, for example. Second, she had been the target of Republicans for years in concerted smear campaigns. Third, like her husband instead of being open and transparent she had a tendency to try to keep private items private. The second and third items I listed feed into Trump's "Crooked Hillary" smear.

There were some Bernie Sander's voters that didn't vote or voted for Trump. This was because Hillary was a flawed candidate and also because the party didn't fully heal after the primaries, for multiple reasons.

Regarding America choosing Trump, true Trump won the election. He just barely won though. He won the electoral college vote by 77,000 votes in just three states. He lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes across the whole USA.

I personally would have liked to see Bernie Sanders win the primary. The reason he didn't win is because he started as an almost completely unknown candidate nationally. He recovered on this problem significantly and had good momentum at the end but could never make up all the lost ground from the slow start. His socialism tag wasn't really a problem for him in the primary, although it would have been a cause of concern for the general election, if he had won the primary.

One must keep in mind that the USA voters are generally divided into 3 categories. The Republican base that votes in the primaries, the Democratic base that votes in the primaries and a large group of people that vote in the general election but not in the primaries.


Bernie Sanders lost because because Clinton started with a massive lead, before any votes were cast, thanks to super delegates, which gave her momentum. And Clinton/CNN colluded to help her win debates against Bernie Sanders.

I always felt Sanders would have beaten Trump, because millions of Obama voters, in swing states, voted Trump in 2016. Voters who hate all life long politicians and prefer alleged "outsiders".

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You know one reason why I love Trump because his eyes dont lie, they look right at you, unlike all the two bit politicians your standing up for, they are constantly either hiding a secret in one eye or saying look at me you will give me your attention. I'm going to be honest even the pope does that, just look at 300 plus pics (you want to talk about eyes that demand your attention). Wasnt like that in pope john paul the 2nd's days. I wont even get into obama. Its funny how we have traded eye contact and conversation for politicians who think they are the center of attention. Trump wasnt even the center of attention on his own show the apprentice.







And if you want more, nobody looks at his audience better then this guy. But unfortunately were told to love conceded media that is storytelling more then sharing thoughts with you. And we have no discernment to not consider it some form of agenda brainwashing. But this guy gets banned for running a little satire like calling the media flies from hell. But basically thats what they are a giant swarm of 100 flies attacking you all at once. And being banned from 3 sites at once proves it. We are THAT far away from reality, that we are saving the rich attention demanders and throwing away people of honest free thought that comes from their own individual expression. Even Pewdiepie and Kanye West get that. Thats why they look real and not like some act when they look into the camera like a John Kasich or Elizabeth Warren.

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You know one reason why I love Trump because his eyes dont lie, ...


Love makes people do or say the dumbest things. I remember paying more than 1.000 Euros for telephone bills during my then-girlfriend's stay in Brasil, for instance. I even believed she loved me. Maybe she did, maybe not. Now, how did I get to that.... ah, right. Delusions. I suggest getting a few nights of good, undisturbed sleep.

Because of all the reasons pro Trump I heard or read of before, a fondness for the perceived lack of lies in his eyes is probably the least substantial. In fact, there is voice in my head telling me I have just been trolled successfully into replying to what clearly is a nonsensepost.

Damnit.
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