Path of Exile vs Diablo 3 2017

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鬼殺し wrote:

Warframe's time is now. It resonates with whats big right now. Its been preparing quietly to claim a throne that didnt exist when it was released. Ive been doing a lot of reading about it today. Bungie were fans of it before Destiny came out. Imagine Blizzard openly being fans of PoE in 2012. If PoE has become the best of what was mainstream twenty or so years ago, Warframe is very close to the best of what's been mainstream for the past ten years or so. I tried it on release. It was...very beta. Only had time to try the "new" tutorial today but ive never seen an indie f2p come so far. Not even PoE has evolved as strongly.

So between wolcen and warframe, the loot grind melee slaughterfest i crave is being handled by...not PoE. Which is great because fuck am I ever tired of pushing against that Sisyphean boulder.

It has evolved, yes. It is a good game. But you really have to play through it all to form opinion rather than base it on reading on internet.

I think that after a long time, if you persist in playing it, you will come to have very simmilar opinion of warframe, such as you have now of Poe. On internet you will only find its good sides, but once negative things start happening to you ingame, you will google and find out there are many unresolved issues and many things that DE failed to do.

Even now, few weeks after plains release, people are getting tired of it, and many are reconsidering if its a good idea to add more open areas.

I mean, there is many things that warframe has in common with poe, but I'd say that mentality behind certain developer decisions is polar opposite in warframe in comparison with poe ways.

One of problems that comes to my mind, this is purely subjective problem of my own is completion of game. When I play something, I want to have a chance to obtain items by my hard work and have a collection that consists of every item ingame.

PoE goal is far more reachable, even limited race items, than some of warframes items. Drop rates are abysmal, many are gone for good after being behind paywalls and I'm left with the knowledge that I will never have it all after hundreds of hours spent into game.

I've come to terms of never having some items in Poe, but in warframe, it is even more harsh. And the way DE handles some of tham is plain bad. We can see hints of GGG listening to playerbase and reacting. But DE what I find weird, does the exact opposite, which results in playerbase organizing few times a year and making a huge outcry to revert/change some things.

Just google universal vacuum sentinels or hema research or feedback on nullifiers that spans years.

I hope they will get past many of their bad decisions, and rule the market on their side.

But looks are always deceiving, shell of warframe is awesome, but once you go deeper, you find that at its core are vast amounts of salt.

Also I just noticed that warframe is around if not at more active players than Poe. Proper handling of advertising got them a pretty big jump in playerbase.

Anyway, for end, I don't know what I wanted to say with this.

Warframe is a great game yha . The main diffrence i find is that you can "finish" warframe alot faster than PoE . Like iv played it for about 800 houres and while thares lots i still could do im basicaly done all that needs or should be done , like having evrey character build to level 95 in PoE , i have nothing to really do in warframe.

So it's great that warframe is filling that sort of intermediat grind fest game market . It's fun for a bit then it falls off then you come back ect. PoE has a better life cycle than warframe i feel , you almost always have many things you could be doing in PoE at any givin time for farming vs the warframes 1 or 2 only real things you want ATM .


Both are great game one is a indy company from New Zealand the other a indy company from Canada , i think that's perfect ;)

I think there should be a new thread... POE vs DIABLO 2 LOD. That would be a far better thread. D2 holds so much nostalgic value that for a lot of people it will be hard to let go of that feeling. It's kind of how I feel about FF7 as being the best game of its genre, even though I know there are other games that might have better gampelay, music, characters, story etc. but FF7 for me will always be the perfect game.

For me it's a dead-even tie. D2 & POE are both brilliant games and it would be difficult for me to choose. D2's advantage is that it came first and a lot of what we like in POE is based off D2. POE's advantage is that it took versatility in gaming to a whole new level. They've tried to cut some of the versatility though by their recent changes, and hope they reverse that again soon (I trust that they will). That, and better end-game.

I'll pick POE just because I'm still playing it today :)

Necromael, how long has it been since you played? All sentinels can use vacuum now.

And, every item in the game except for like an Excalibur Prime is available to get; at least for trade if not from vaulted relics/Baro.

Also, I dont find the monetisation bad; I did at first. But, you can trade other players for Platinum. When you are sitting on a couple trades a day selling some 3p part as a noob, yes it seems terrible. You eventually learn to sell full sets and sell various other things worth 20-100p a pop(mods to full sets) and it ends up not being an issue at all. I'm a cheapskate and kept waiting on a 75% coupon to buy some plat but I've amassed enough plat at this point trading I no longer need to spend any money, and probably never will at this point. I'm actually kind of glad I never got the coupon, lol. I got more than enough plat and more than enough stuff to trade for plat that I'm set for my entire time in the game. But, I dont get into cosmetics. I'm a barebones guy. Buy reactor/cata/slots. Just like PoE I only buy stash pages. I've spent quite a damn bit on stash pages, but I dont have any supporter packs cause I dont need any of that other crap. Same deal here. Your mileage will vary.

Vaulted items come back like once or twice a year. And, people still have plenty of sets to buy if you care enough to get whatever it is.

The only issue I have with Warframe, personally, is at some point it seems meaningless outside of collecting. Like, I'm still enjoying the first frame I ever built(Rhino) over all the others I have made and tried; I dont actually need any of those others to kill stuff. I dont need other guns either. So I guess the point it gets to is I'm doing it mainly to collect things instead of needing an upgrade to actually do things. For some this is probably a positive, for some its a negative. You dont actually ever get a "True" upgrade. And the doing things turns into collecting and bullet-hell type things where you just survive for an hour. I do ponder, though, if this is something brought on by PoE clearspeed meta. I used to create characters in D2 just to see if they worked; I didn't need it to be the best. Same early on in PoE. I just made random crap to see if it worked and I didn't need it to be the fastest. Nowadays I can't be bothered to do that. I can't make something worse. I cant play something worse. So when stuff looks like it kills the same, I dont see a point in getting it besides collecting.

Trading is kinda fun just becuase its simplistic in teh fact the items arent random so if you list a Nekros Prime Set its the same everyone elses so cheapest price wins out; takes like 5 minutes to trade your items and get back to the game.

But overall, I think the game does have issues; all games do. It turns into a super grind and it mainly benefits, IMO, collectors and people who like that specific kind of gameplay(bullet-hell games). But thats not going to bother most people for a LONG time. I'm closing in on 400 hours and I'm starting to feel the grind and I'm probably going to take a break. But 400 hours for free for nothing, is pretty decent for me.

In staying inline with the main topic, however, I'm probably going to play 1 month of the next D3 season. They just patched it in, drops nov. 9th. I havent played it in like 3 seasons, and I got 1 month before PoE's next league. I can probably gear a guy and plow some GR's and get that out of my system and have fun for 1 month before PoE hits. I actually think gamers do themselves a disservice being so, I guess Loyal is the nicest term. I'm willing to bet there are players here that will not play D3 no matter what "cause PoE is greatest!" PoE is a superior overall game to D3. However, that doesn't mean D3 isn't fun or is a bad game persay. The combat is great, the initial gearing of your character and plowing some rifts is fun. It just has really low replay value after that. But that can easily last you a month or more.

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SirSid wrote:

At this point i feel PoE has overtaken Diablo 2 as the greatest ARPG of all time .

I still feel D2 is king. Was playing last league for 3 weeks and was so great time. Leveling process, getting items, carry players, runewords..

Good feelings, no frustration, was superb.

hf .)

The one thing I always feel where POE > D3 is that rares matter.

D3 back in 1.08 was my favorite because rares were not only fodder for crafting mats. The end game did not revolve around sets. It revolved around math and clever combinations of perfect attack speed and crit to make it happen. When D3 devolved into a line where you just wait for your free set to farm other sets it got super damn boring.

D3 is an XP hunt. POE is a loot hunt.

I like loot so POE is always going to reign supreme for me.

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Destructodave wrote:

But yea, I've heard people say there wont be a D4 cause D3 sucked. Well, when you sell 30+ million copies of something, there probably is a market for another.

Well that seems logical but there’s a catch.

D4 will be made by the creators of D3 aka Blizz South, anti-Diablo.

If D4 has any chance of succeeding as an ARPG, it’ll need be the spiritual successor to PoE, not D2, PoE.

Won’t happen, hence, no market for arcade D4.

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DreadLordAvatar wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

But yea, I've heard people say there wont be a D4 cause D3 sucked. Well, when you sell 30+ million copies of something, there probably is a market for another.

Well that seems logical but there’s a catch.

D4 will be made by the creators of D3 aka Blizz South, anti-Diablo.

If D4 has any chance of succeeding as an ARPG, it’ll need be the spiritual successor to PoE, not D2, PoE.

Won’t happen, hence, no market for arcade D4.

In what ways did it not succeed? Again, people playing this game are the MINORITY here. Even if we think it sucks. Millions people thought otherwise; They sold 10 million more copies after Reaper of Souls. They sold 2.7 million copies of Reaper of Souls the first day.

Hell, they may even have more players playing D3 right now than we have playing PoE. People dont seem to realize that because gamers have this notion, out of sight out of mind. If I quit the game, it must be dying and therefore dead. People do this with WoW all the time. You didn't like D3 and quit, so you think everyone else felt the same way.

What we want is not the measurement of success here.

They have shown they can sell arcade Arpg. The proof is in the pudding. If there was no market for it, why have they sold so many copies?

The game did succeed. People here might not like it because they wanted D2, but the game succeeded, and there are people that do.

at 鬼殺し , yeah, didnt mean to push you away from game, hope you have fun, you will have some awesome things to discover, especially if you explore maps and like riddles or speed polygons that test your control over char

at Destructodave

I was referring when it was an issue, how they poorly handled it, the vacuum. For my life in WF i will use sentinel and nothing else. Had a doggo once, but he died lol

I stopped playing few months ago, but for every major patch I play and finish up story if its added, just like Kuva stuff and now plains. I have quite a few items that go for 100+ plat, like rare melee mods but I'm too cheap to sell them and want to have collection of mods, even though its listed in codex.

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About D3 , I still play it, it is a fun game for its purpose. I do few grifts weekly and I only do seasons until I get banner and pet and thats pretty much it. Didnt earn a single stash tab from seasons yet, and I probably never will. Necromancer is fun, but having 3 sets limits him to them, and I'd do LoN build but it hasn't been buffed, so I'd have to give in extra effort into not being functional still after having it.

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0Crimnor wrote:

Funny to see all these people bashing D3 when they probably never played it at the highest level. Grinding out near perfect gear, high augments, ancient HfA and gems requires both more time and dedication than buying gear in PoE. Especially in HC.

On the larger scale I agree that PoE is a better game in many ways but there are a few things D3 does better. Both are good games for what they offer.

sad part is i have played D3 to the end game. and gotten the perfect gear and high augments and done the ancient hfas and gotten the gems

and it was garbage.

the game handed you everything . and it was boring.

over here on POE atleast we have to work for what we want. you want to do higher teir maps you grind lower tear ones till you get what you want or go hunting on the trade pages for the ones you need.

you dont get it given to you as much as D3 does.

and i still stand by what my older posts say.

d3 is for people that are lazy and dont want to work at geting good at a game that dont want to exsperament with there builds. that dont want a skill system that dont want to have to truly loot grind. or work for anything in the game its self.

POE is for people that want to.

in the end i will suport POE over D3 any day. and never look back on it. though i wouldnt mind a refund on my D3 after all once you beat it enough times. the game gets stail and so do the monsters. hell even there seasons are boring. atleast over here on POE running a " season " nets you something worth wile. while over there its a handed out free pet/wings and a god set set of armour that becomes useless becuse its now on a standerd account insted of the season account and no one plays standered everyone only plays season... bla...