Path of Exile vs Diablo 3 2017

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DreadLordAvatar wrote:

So, fans of D3 today are still stuck in the past, the Blizz North days, and also haven’t played or given PoE a serious chance. Theyre in their comfort zone and that is fine, and I’m not knocking them for that, but, it’s a shame so many of them are pinned under Blizz’s incompetence and are missing out on the greatest ARPG experience of all time. 3.0 makes it much easier to get started for new comers, a console port, and all for free. It’s unbelievable really <3 GGG, just get them servers stabilized man!

While PoE is the much better(obviously) arpg game it doesn't necessarily translate into a generally more fun experience for everyone, why? Because there are many factors when deciding what game is the best one, some people like apples, others oranges etc, it's highly subjective. PoE for example crushes D3 when it comes to character depth, customization etc, there is really no comparison here, then again D3 crushes PoE when it comes to the actual combat and smoothness of the engine, here lies the difference between a triple A budget and that of an indie project, no offence to PoE though, GGG has done a good job with the resources they had but it just doesn't compare to D3 on this point. There are unfortunately a considerable amount of D3 people who can't get interested in PoE due this factor, wich is a shame considering how great the gameplay is, but then again who am i to judge them?

As for the greatest ARPG experience of all time, that is again a highly subjective opinion, if you ask me, Diablo 2 is still by a fair margin the best ARPG game ever released on PC, it was a rare eclipse of near perfection, everything from the classes, skills, art and aesthetics, the overall atmosphere(music, lore etc) and even the addictive PvP makes it the best experience i ever had with this type of game. Thus i still play D2 today despite old Bnet being overrun by bots and the ancient graphics.

I'm happy though for those that think PoE is the greatest thing ever for the arpg genre, grats, as for me i typically rotate between PoE, D3, D2, Grim dawn etc as each of them provides something unique that the others lack.

Sadly, i am still waiting for the ultimate game to dethrone the now aged Diablo 2.

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DreadLordAvatar wrote:

I wanted D3 to succeed, right like who didn’t? The illustrious and coveted franchise...and I can say from my own experience, early on when PoE came out, I tried it and I didn’t like it. It just seemed unpolished, didn’t have a clue, nothing made sense, and blind to its superior potential. First impression failed, and so I just kept playing garbage old D3 in hopes Blizz would make it right, in the aspect of honouring it’s predecessors. It’s a fun and straightforward game, but it fails as at its core; call it anything but Diablo and it wouldn’t make a difference.

So, fans of D3 today are still stuck in the past, the Blizz North days, and also haven’t played or given PoE a serious chance. Theyre in their comfort zone and that is fine, and I’m not knocking them for that, but, it’s a shame so many of them are pinned under Blizz’s incompetence and are missing out on the greatest ARPG experience of all time. 3.0 makes it much easier to get started for new comers, a console port, and all for free. It’s unbelievable really <3 GGG, just get them servers stabilized man!

This. The first paragraph sums up my experience perfectly. I remember a feeling of great accomplishment zoning into Sarn Outskirts in 2013 and thinking I was the Bomb lol.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Yawn... haven't we been here before? People here don't like D3... for the most part. People on the D3 forums probably feel similarly about PoE. Why bother comparing the two? It doesn't make either game better or worse. All it does is reinforce people's opinions about each other.

either you consider all the cases or your judgment will always be sectarian and biased .. there is also A LOT of people like me whoms like both games.. equally or maybe one more than the other but it is not true that the players are divided in 2.. if you say 3 could be close to the reality

Diablo 3 looks like they hired the same graphics and animators that were working on Warcraft and WoW. Even overwatch is cartoony shit. can they finally use real graphics engine, not some cartoony warhammer things?
I literaly watched FIRST video ever how diablo 3 even looks TODAY and I can't believe how bad the graphics is. It's complete downgrade compared to diablo 2 or diablo 1.

At this point i feel PoE has overtaken Diablo 2 as the greatest ARPG of all time .

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鬼殺し wrote:

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SirSid wrote:

At this point i feel PoE has overtaken Diablo 2 as the greatest ARPG of all time .

That happened a while back, but 3.0 definitely cemented it. Unfortunately, it's not exactly the most amazing 'greatest of all time' these days. We're living in the past, whether my fellow Exiles want to admit it or not. Or rather, an updated version of the past ripe with all the things we love to remember and slowly but surely losing the things we wish we didn't. The Stranger Things of ARPGs.

It's not as if many other game devs are scrambling to win this race. The most obvious competitors for 'greatest arpg of all time' are all from other indie studios. That's telling.

The problem is the genre is still living in the past. These games just end up being D2-clones, marketed towards an aging player-base who might not even enjoy that gameplay now, or can't enjoy it like they did. Maybe the top down, d2-clone is dead as a mainstream genre. At least for now.

But, the act of finding loot and leveling characters is still alive and well in many games.

Edit: Also, there is this gamer notion that if I dont like it, or I dont play it anymore, its dying/dead. People do it with WoW all the time. Regardless of what people around here think, Diablo 3 was successful. In 2015 it topped 30 million copies sold. So, its not out of the realm of possibility that D4 is made. Hell, there may be more people still playing D3 than PoE.

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Destructodave wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

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SirSid wrote:

At this point i feel PoE has overtaken Diablo 2 as the greatest ARPG of all time .

That happened a while back, but 3.0 definitely cemented it. Unfortunately, it's not exactly the most amazing 'greatest of all time' these days. We're living in the past, whether my fellow Exiles want to admit it or not. Or rather, an updated version of the past ripe with all the things we love to remember and slowly but surely losing the things we wish we didn't. The Stranger Things of ARPGs.

It's not as if many other game devs are scrambling to win this race. The most obvious competitors for 'greatest arpg of all time' are all from other indie studios. That's telling.

The problem is the genre is still living in the past. These games just end up being D2-clones, marketed towards an aging player-base who might not even enjoy that gameplay now, or can't enjoy it like they did. Maybe the top down, d2-clone is dead as a mainstream genre. At least for now.

But, the act of finding loot and leveling characters is still alive and well in many games.

@charon
I would agree that it happend awhile back but as a 10 k hour D2 fan i had to give it extra time to be sure , also i work alot these days so i miss alot of the game , i have actualy not played the 3.0 patch yet as it came out when another game i was interested in launched and i then rapidly was sent off to work . That game is Albion online by the way and totaly worth checking out , it's not like PoE at all but a very solid foundation of a potentialy epic game , already had some amazingly epic stuff happen to me in it and looking forward to many years with it.

@Destructodave
I don't think the genre is dead i just think it is a small click , as it always has been . Diablo 2 was not that wide spread a game as we like to think it was , sure it was a massive game that MANY people played but the options avalible and accsses of pruduct back then was very diffrent . I also feel more people nowadays pretend to be these huge d2 fans but in reality if you sat them down at the game now they would have barly a clue. Finding loot in games seems to be a standard now , im not sure how i feel about that , but i think i feel bad about it .

Just take a look at destiny 2 it has a loot systems that we would of lul'ed at back when d2 came out for fuck sakes , it's total garbage but people seem to be eating it up . 85 % rating from PC gamer WTF ? The game is total trash 40 houres of my life i wish i had back , but dew to a semi random mob system in game "loot system" if you can even call it that the thing is a sales successes.

Now to me that has to be prof that the genre is alive and well if that trash is considered good , then GGG needs to spend more cash on marketing , put PoE in the hands of a rabid desityn fan boy and his head might explode lol .

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SirSid wrote:

@Destructodave
I don't think the genre is dead i just think it is a small click , as it always has been . Diablo 2 was not that wide spread a game as we like to think it was , sure it was a massive game that MANY people played but the options avalible and accsses of pruduct back then was very diffrent . I also feel more people nowadays pretend to be these huge d2 fans but in reality if you sat them down at the game now they would have barly a clue. Finding loot in games seems to be a standard now , im not sure how i feel about that , but i think i feel bad about it .

Just take a look at destiny 2 it has a loot systems that we would of lul'ed at back when d2 came out for fuck sakes , it's total garbage but people seem to be eating it up . 85 % rating from PC gamer WTF ? The game is total trash 40 houres of my life i wish i had back , but dew to a semi random mob system in game "loot system" if you can even call it that the thing is a sales successes.

Now to me that has to be prof that the genre is alive and well if that trash is considered good , then GGG needs to spend more cash on marketing , put PoE in the hands of a rabid desityn fan boy and his head might explode lol .

Yea, I just edited my post to mention that D3, even though we call it a failure, sold over 30 million copies. And that number was 2 years ago. Hell, I didn't buy Reaper of Souls until this year. Who knows how many more they sold. We like to mock D3 and talk about it here, but there is a damn good chance there is a larger playerbase playing that game than PoE.

Thats like Warframe I keep mentioning. People talk up PoE when Warframe has 4 times as many concurrent players as PoE at any time, and its a looter FPS akin to Destiny 2.

Again, I think the issue is really the D2-clone marketed towards an aging playerbase is the issue here. D3 almost succeeded. Its hard to argue how good the actual combat is; they just forgot to put anything else in there, lol. I dont think you can keep making copies and expect to break into new players.

And honestly? I hadn't played D3 since before the AH was shut down. I bought RoS for 15 bucks earlier this year and you know what? I had fun for about 3-4 months. I mean it doesnt have the longevity; there is no economy. But as a SSF game, ARPG it was fun for a season and a half. For 15 bucks thats hard to beat. I'm not exactly playing it every single day for a year or 2 like I did Vanilla WoW, or even D2 at times, but games just do not do that nowadays. I don't even play PoE that way. I play like 1 month every league and quit.

But yea, I've heard people say there wont be a D4 cause D3 sucked. Well, when you sell 30+ million copies of something, there probably is a market for another.

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SirSid wrote:

At this point i feel PoE has overtaken Diablo 2 as the greatest ARPG of all time .

Yes I think same.I was actually burnt out from D2 having played it for many years so for another ARPG to keep me going it has to be offering better.I played the ladder on 'Path of Diablo' mod but it seems the burn out came quicker and I did not feel like playing another ladder(despite 6 socket uniques etc).

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鬼殺し wrote:

Warframe's time is now. It resonates with whats big right now. Its been preparing quietly to claim a throne that didnt exist when it was released. Ive been doing a lot of reading about it today. Bungie were fans of it before Destiny came out. Imagine Blizzard openly being fans of PoE in 2012. If PoE has become the best of what was mainstream twenty or so years ago, Warframe is very close to the best of what's been mainstream for the past ten years or so. I tried it on release. It was...very beta. Only had time to try the "new" tutorial today but ive never seen an indie f2p come so far. Not even PoE has evolved as strongly.

So between wolcen and warframe, the loot grind melee slaughterfest i crave is being handled by...not PoE. Which is great because fuck am I ever tired of pushing against that Sisyphean boulder.

warframe sucks and it's a dead game