"AFK" sellers

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Arrowneous wrote:

But GGG is being bipolar: They think if they halt gear progression by level 70ish then most endgame gear to complete and/or strengthen a build will need to be traded for and that's ok.

and i really think that's the goal.

they can't just remove the trade api/oe.trade to weaken item search so item exchange/ item availability on needs to limit trade.

for trade improvements something different needs to be less effective. imho that's the reason they're planning on extending the amount of item affixes so there are less perfect or even endgame items to trade. that would allow for some more effective trading.
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Janimarkus wrote:
Thanks to all those people whom have cheap items for sale, but do not even bother to reply. I know you get our messages as no AFK reply even comes. You are true exiles. You realize you can disable your sales tabs that you just do not bother with anymore, or enable them when you feel like selling. It remembers the prices you have set, amazing!

I try to take high road and be an example. Someone wants to buy an item for 1c in another league than I'm currently logged into. I whisper saying that I'll be switching over and to hang on 10 seconds, and I'll make the trade. Sometimes, I have to say that they need to wait until I finish the map since I need to open it for Atlas. Surprisingly everyone so far has waited even for 1-2c trades. Maybe no one else is really bothering. So, win for me I guess. It's a pain admittedly, but since I have listed items for sale, I feel obligated to make the sale. You know, treat others as yourself would like to be treated.

I just had a thought, maybe botting is just really rampant, and reason why people don't reply to whispers.

P.S. I'm sure there are cases where someone has just gone AFK, or just fails to see the whisper etc. but the amount of cold shoulder I get and talking with friends, some of these "sellers" are real pieces of work.


You can't just disable and enable tabs for trading when you feel like it since it takes time for them to show up in the search and for the search to show that you're online.
Have you tried paying a bit more for these particular 1c items? Meaning; have you tried to contact people who have the stuff listed for an average price?
The cheapest prices are often not very reliable.
They do not reply just because they doing something more important than one alch trade at the moment. The cheaper the price - the more calls you need to make for a deal.

I never refuse even 1 jeweler trades when I'm in HO but I definitely won't exit maps for it.
Last edited by tm10067#1871 on May 11, 2017, 4:37:22 AM
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MasterTBC wrote:
Dude <1 Alc is not worth the time to trade.


Then don't list the item for 1 alch.
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Arrowneous wrote:
We need all sellers to continue to keep their selling tabs active. We must continue to boycott mtx purchases to get GGG to fix this broken worthless excuse of a trade function. Only with enough outcrys from all exiles will we get an asynchronous trade function.


You're absolutely right.

OP is dumb to criticize sellers when the problem is GGG's horseshit of a trade system.

Sadly they don't want you to trade, especially not easily. It has nothing to do with players interaction either, despite their faery tale claims. It has everything to do with artificially lengthening the life span of the game so that people spend more time on it and thus more monies. All business studies support the fact that globally speaking the more time your gamers are in front of your game the more money you will get. GGG's feeding us bollocks. Enjoy!
People are probably just busy to respond to a trade. Also if they really do need to go AFK then turning off all public tabs can be a pain in the a** (especially when they have 10+ public tabs, and forgetting to turn them on can loose them business).

On the bright side, poe.trade has many listings. Just continue messaging people until you get a response. You might not get that sweet X chaos discount, but you always have to account for market manipulators (i.e. fake listings to lower prices). So what you're paying might not be all that much off the actual price.
Last edited by ezio_d_auditore#5503 on May 12, 2017, 5:59:13 AM
Another thing to consider is that if you ever list a popular item priced to sell quickly, you'll often get 10+ PMs even after you've already sold the thing because it takes poe.trade time to update the availability. I usually try to respond 'sold' but sometimes you're in a breach or whatever and can't be bothered.
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Janimarkus wrote:
Thanks to all those people whom have cheap items for sale, but do not even bother to reply. I know you get our messages as no AFK reply even comes. You are true exiles. You realize you can disable your sales tabs that you just do not bother with anymore, or enable them when you feel like selling. It remembers the prices you have set, amazing!

I try to take high road and be an example. Someone wants to buy an item for 1c in another league than I'm currently logged into. I whisper saying that I'll be switching over and to hang on 10 seconds, and I'll make the trade. Sometimes, I have to say that they need to wait until I finish the map since I need to open it for Atlas. Surprisingly everyone so far has waited even for 1-2c trades. Maybe no one else is really bothering. So, win for me I guess. It's a pain admittedly, but since I have listed items for sale, I feel obligated to make the sale. You know, treat others as yourself would like to be treated.

I just had a thought, maybe botting is just really rampant, and reason why people don't reply to whispers.

P.S. I'm sure there are cases where someone has just gone AFK, or just fails to see the whisper etc. but the amount of cold shoulder I get and talking with friends, some of these "sellers" are real pieces of work.


Those players dont want to sell items, they want to make some noobs think that those items are cheap, so they can buy those items for lowball price.
This abuse is called "price fixing".
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Last edited by MortalKombat3#6961 on May 13, 2017, 1:35:56 AM
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Janimarkus wrote:
Those players dont want to sell items, they want to make some noobs think that those items are cheap, so they can buy those items for lowball price.
This abuse is called "price fixing".


One of the most embarrassing things a person can do is take a position as a superior intellectual only to openly demonstrate their ignorance. Price fixing means controlling the price of a commodity by removing consumer options. This is usually done by colluding with competitors selling similar goods or services and agreeing to move prices higher so both parties increase profits.

That's not what's happening here. Players can still buy items at true market price. You're just butthurt because you allow yourself to get your hopes up over a potential bargain purchase and when it turns out not to become a reality you go full snowflake. You wouldn't have made this comment unless you allowed it to live rent free in your head. Not every item listed below market is done with ill intent. You speaking in absolutes proves you're letting your emotions rule you.
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VGLance wrote:
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Janimarkus wrote:
Those players dont want to sell items, they want to make some noobs think that those items are cheap, so they can buy those items for lowball price.
This abuse is called "price fixing".


One of the most embarrassing things a person can do is take a position as a superior intellectual only to openly demonstrate their ignorance. Price fixing means controlling the price of a commodity by removing consumer options. This is usually done by colluding with competitors selling similar goods or services and agreeing to move prices higher so both parties increase profits.

That's not what's happening here. Players can still buy items at true market price. You're just butthurt because you allow yourself to get your hopes up over a potential bargain purchase and when it turns out not to become a reality you go full snowflake. You wouldn't have made this comment unless you allowed it to live rent free in your head. Not every item listed below market is done with ill intent. You speaking in absolutes proves you're letting your emotions rule you.


Attempt at misleading prices is definitely there. Very often you would see low priced items that would be right at the top of the search list and these people have absolutely no intention to sell. The idea is to bait another potential seller to do a price check via POE trade and list it for a similar amount. This does not "fix" prices per se, but all you need is a couple of suckers to make a profit.

Scenario
Seller 1: Lists item for 1ex (Px is 5ex). He puts DND mode or simply does not reply
Seller 2: Checks POE trade for guide and sees that the lowest price is 1ex (Seller 1's). He lists said item for 1ex
Seller 1: Swoops in and buys Seller 2's item for 1ex and makes a 4ex profit

The above scenario is fairly common and ultimately is done with the purpose of misleading others to seller their items cheaply. I have baited such fake Sellers before.

Price fixing happens in currencies where traders with literally thousands of EX can influence market prices. EX to Chaos ratio in legacy is a good example (went from 80 to 125 and now at 98). With sufficient resources, one can become a market maker.

Last edited by DAKKONx#3689 on May 13, 2017, 3:55:46 AM

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