The German politic in Europe is a problem

Just replying to the first post.

It seems that you think that all of Merkel's/Germany's actions can be attributed to calculated malice. Which is, at least in my opinion, not true.

First, Greece. It is not like Merkel conjured Greece's debt out of nowhere. Greece politicians spent too much borrowed money and the public kept re-electing them as long as they could get away with it. Sure, maybe it would have been better if there hadn't been a bailout for Greece's creditors, but remember that this was shortly after the financial crisis and the fall of Lehman Brothers and everyone was still scared of seeing another big bank collapse. Also, it is not like Greece didn't need more foreign money at that point.
I'll give you that things are not looking good here. But then, do you have any better ideas?

Second, the refugee crisis. Merkel opened the borders as a response to the increasingly worsening humanitarian situation in South-East Europe. That's right, at first the problem were the refugees that were already within Europe, not the ones outside.
And yes, it is most definitely a problem that people in North Africa and the Middle East received this as a general invitation into the central and northern European welfare states. And yes, Merkel should have communicated earlier and more decisive that this is not the case. I fully agree.
But again, the situation has already changed. And even if Merkel wanted unlimited immigration from North Africa/the Middle East into the EU (she does not), there would be no way she could get that. There would not be a single other EU country that would support this. Heck, believe it or not, she wouldn't even get a majority within Germany.

Finally, TTIP. Yes, people objected to it for a reason. But again, simply saying that the people who were supporting it did so only to pamper big business is over-ambiguous. Some certainly did, sure, but there was also the case for a growing economy and more employment. It had its ups and downs.

im not german so im really not going to comment on this or ill sound as ignorant as the germans in the us pol threads

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Manocean wrote:

im not german so im really not going to comment on this or ill sound as ignorant as the germans in the us pol threads

You did it anyways,
Let the AntiAmerican Rhetorik sink in. In 70 jear´s, your grandchildren will eventually agree with Mustafa.

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Pwnzors87 wrote:

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Manocean wrote:

im not german so im really not going to comment on this or ill sound as ignorant as the germans in the us pol threads

You did it anyways,
Let the AntiAmerican Rhetorik sink in. In 70 jear´s, your grandchildren will eventually agree with Mustafa.

that's the lion from lion king right?

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Pwnzors87 wrote:

@finsterrer I don´t live in the past

I thought so and wondered why you even bother. Now I got you. Thanks for reply.

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Head_Less wrote:

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finisterre wrote:

@morbo, @Head_Less
Are you from EU ?

I am french and live in Serbia

I've been through 3 huge natural disasters, 2 economic crisis and seen unnecessary mess on emigration and evacuation.

Open-Door policy is necessary. It would only make things worse if we leave refugees in the illegal and unhealthy state. (it would be gun and shield rather than bread and bed.)
I understand flood turns things into mess. That's why open-door policy is needed to dissolve the flood and stagnation.

UN and EU might have to send more staff for the migrant control to understand and cooperate though, it's not about politics but mobility, living facility, food, voluntary efforts, communicating and sharing.

About Greece, I think they (IMF and EU) are punitive rather than fair. They should not kill the liquidity to eliminate frauds. Accounting fraud is about accounting system and auditability (remember Panama Papers)

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Pwnzors87 wrote:

The primar issue is, burrowing borrowed Money(badenglish), once one bank doesn´t pay back, the chain colapses

True but that is not the heart of the chain but the local end. Many of politicians count whole the chain to report good results but hide the details to report bad results. That's because they are sloppy accounting and tame to their sponsors.

About TTIP, our interests are mostly for personal consumption. TTIP is irrelevant. Food for instance, it's about quality and diversity. We don't have to talk with custom officers or lawyers but producers and merchants in the first place.

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Im2sl0w wrote:

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finisterre wrote:

@Pwnzors87
We cannot live in the past. What do you want ?

Distorting facts has nothing to do with living in the past

Also nowadays it doesnt really matter where you come from. You are talking about not bombing Syria - you live there? No but ur point is still valid.

That physical distance allows better judgement in some cases

Our imagination is not fair or homogeneous. That is what I learned from the "facts".
I know I'm not polite >.<

Europe lol. Has beens. Honestly don't care whatsoever about it. I live in USA just keep my taxes low and I'm happy. Taxes are slavery and Trump put the kibosh on for awhile as we were headed to full blown socialism like EU/Valenzuela.

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Head_Less wrote:

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morbo wrote:

Pwnzors87 is right on Greece - they borrowed money to support a lavish social welfare state, with big pensions and all the good stuff that leftists / socialists always promise, but can't deliver if there is no strong economy to back it up. IF you can't support your welfare with taxes, then you have to borrow money. Eventually this socialist ponzi scheme cracks and you have to pay back the debt.

The Greeks scammed themselves - they borrowed money from their kids future, to live comfortably for a short term. Now they'll be paying that back for the next decades. Remember: only states that have a strong economy, can afford generous social handouts. If you don't have a strong economy, but the politicians still promise you a bountiful welfare, then you are being scammed - never vote for such politicians!

Yes it is the Greek fault but Merkel decided to make tabula rasa of the banks debt (banks who created all this mess with speculation and bad market placements) yet, Merkel decided the Greeks have to pay their dept (created by the banks)

Greece put everything on tourism so of course when the crisis come and tourist can t spend money on holidays they see major shortage of incomes.

Fault on Greece Gov for doing a shit job, but once the EU decide to clean sheet the bank debts they should also clean sheet the Greek people debt right?

Seems to me for the EU and politicians like Merkel think Banks>people

Neither a lender or borrower be.. Jesus said it Mohammad said it. Greece has much to learn. Maybe when Goldman Sachs own every house, street, building, parking meter, and pebble in Greece they will buy a clue.