The German politic in Europe is a problem

>D.
Wat

"

Pwnzors87 wrote:

D. France and England declared war on Germany.
Russia declared war on several eastern countries. Nazi Germany acted in it's self-defense.

Revised.

"

finisterre wrote:

"

Pwnzors87 wrote:

D. France and England declared war on Germany.
Russia declared war on several eastern countries. Nazi Germany acted in it's self-defense.

Revised.

Did you sleep in history or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtJ_zbz1NyY
Here you have it.

Such a dirty liar, so why didn´t England declare war on russia, since they also ""invaded"" poland, heck they even alied with russia latter. Doesnt make a lot much of sense, if all they wanted is to protect poland. And they didn´t give a crap about poland after the war, like here russia you can have them.

So what happend after the ww2 hm?? Did all of east-europe become UdSSR or not? do we at least agree on that. Exactly what Germany was afraid of, happend. And if it wherent for the cold war, they´d moved further west.

@Pwnzors87
We cannot live in the past. What do you want ?

"

Pwnzors87 wrote:

D. Germany did not destroy europe, France and England declaired war on Germany and not vise verse. For example, nazi Germany knew that the american´s would bomb the shit out of Paris, so they moved out before, only like what 20 soldier left behind, to pick up a fight.
Russia declaired war on several eastern country´s, but the primar reason for germany´s war declaration was, because russia wanted to step into Romania, a allie of Germany. Nazi Germany, only acted in it´s selfdefense. England neglected like 26 peace-offering´s from Germany, they wanted that war. Amerika tried to convince France (with Money obvious) to pick up there gun´s again, even under occupation. America comitted several war crime´s, even though they wheren´t in the war jet, like supporting England and russia, which lead to that war declaration.

So please Head-less, if you have no clue what´s realy up, don´t open up such thread´s.

That s some alternative history we got there.

The only reason Paris did not get bombed by the Germans is because they surrendered before. In the end of war, Hitler asked one of his General to destroy the city before retreat but he was so much in love he did not do it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_von_Choltitz

On 1 August 1944, Choltitz was promoted to General der Infanterie, and on 7 August was appointed military governor of Paris. At a meeting in Germany the following day, Hitler instructed him to be prepared to leave no Parisian religious building or historical monument standing. After Choltitz's arrival in Paris on 9 August, Hitler confirmed the order by cable: "The city must not fall into the enemy's hand except lying in complete rubble."


On 15 August 1944, the Paris police went on strike,[7] followed on 19 August by a general insurrection led by the French Communist Party. The German garrison under Choltitz fought back but was far too small to quell the uprising. Choltitz brokered a ceasefire with the insurgents on 20 August, but many Resistance groups did not accept it and a series of skirmishes continued on the next day.[8]

On 25 August, Choltitz surrendered the German garrison of 17,000 men to the Free French, leaving the city largely intact. Because Hitler's directive was not carried out, Choltitz has been described by some as the "Saviour of Paris".


Nazi Germany acted as self defense? Rofl get a grip.


One of Adolf Hitler's first major foreign policy initiatives after coming to power was to sign a nonaggression pact with Poland in January 1934. This move was not popular with many Germans who supported Hitler but resented the fact that Poland had received the former German provinces of West Prussia, Poznan, and Upper Silesia under the Treaty of Versailles after World War I. However, Hitler sought the nonaggression pact in order to neutralize the possibility of a French-Polish military alliance against Germany before Germany had a chance to rearm.



In the mid and late 1930s, France and especially Britain followed a foreign policy of appeasement. The objective of this policy was to maintain peace in Europe by making limited concessions to German demands. In Britain, public opinion tended to favor some revision of the territorial and military provision of the Versailles treaty. Moreover, neither Britain nor France in 1938 was militarily prepared to fight a war against Nazi Germany.

Britain and France essentially acquiesced to Germany's rearmament (1935-1937), remilitarization of the Rhineland (1936), and annexation of Austria (March 1938). In September 1938, after signing away the Czech border regions, known as the Sudetenland, to Germany at the Munich conference, British and French leaders pressured France's ally, Czechoslovakia, to yield to Germany's demand for the incorporation of those regions. Despite Anglo-French guarantees of the integrity of rump Czechoslovakia, the Germans dismembered the Czechoslovak state in March 1939 in violation of the Munich agreement. Britain and France responded by guaranteeing the integrity of the Polish state. Hitler responded by negotiating a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union in the summer of 1939. The German-Soviet Pact of August 1939, which stated that Poland was to be partitioned between the two powers, enabled Germany to attack Poland without the fear of Soviet intervention.

On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. The Polish army was defeated within weeks of the invasion. From East Prussia and Germany in the north and Silesia and Slovakia in the south, German units, with more than 2,000 tanks and over 1,000 planes, broke through Polish defenses along the border and advanced on Warsaw in a massive encirclement attack. After heavy shelling and bombing, Warsaw surrendered to the Germans on September 27, 1939. Britain and France, standing by their guarantee of Poland's border, had declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. The Soviet Union invaded eastern Poland on September 17, 1939. The demarcation line for the partition of German- and Soviet-occupied Poland was along the Bug River.

In October 1939, Germany directly annexed those former Polish territories along German's eastern border: West Prussia, Poznan, Upper Silesia, and the former Free City of Danzig. The remainder of German-occupied Poland (including the cities of Warsaw, Krakow, Radom, and Lublin) was organized as the so-called Generalgouvernement (General Government) under a civilian governor general, the Nazi party lawyer Hans Frank

Pwnzors87 is right on Greece - they borrowed money to support a lavish social welfare state, with big pensions and all the good stuff that leftists / socialists always promise, but can't deliver if there is no strong economy to back it up. IF you can't support your welfare with taxes, then you have to borrow money. Eventually this socialist ponzi scheme cracks and you have to pay back the debt.

The Greeks scammed themselves - they borrowed money from their kids future, to live comfortably for a short term. Now they'll be paying that back for the next decades. Remember: only states that have a strong economy, can afford generous social handouts. If you don't have a strong economy, but the politicians still promise you a bountiful welfare, then you are being scammed - never vote for such politicians!

"

morbo wrote:

Pwnzors87 is right on Greece - they borrowed money to support a lavish social welfare state, with big pensions and all the good stuff that leftists / socialists always promise, but can't deliver if there is no strong economy to back it up. IF you can't support your welfare with taxes, then you have to borrow money. Eventually this socialist ponzi scheme cracks and you have to pay back the debt.

The Greeks scammed themselves - they borrowed money from their kids future, to live comfortably for a short term. Now they'll be paying that back for the next decades. Remember: only states that have a strong economy, can afford generous social handouts. If you don't have a strong economy, but the politicians still promise you a bountiful welfare, then you are being scammed - never vote for such politicians!

Yes it is the Greek fault but Merkel decided to make tabula rasa of the banks debt (banks who created all this mess with speculation and bad market placements) yet, Merkel decided the Greeks have to pay their dept (created by the banks)

Greece put everything on tourism so of course when the crisis come and tourist can t spend money on holidays they see major shortage of incomes.

Fault on Greece Gov for doing a shit job, but once the EU decide to clean sheet the bank debts they should also clean sheet the Greek people debt right?

Seems to me for the EU and politicians like Merkel think Banks>people

"

Head_Less wrote:

Fault on Greece Gov for doing a shit job, but once the EU decide to clean sheet the bank debts they should also clean sheet the Greek people debt right?

Well, I'm against any bailouts. If a private business fails, it should go down. If a bank becomes insolvent, because they've speculated themselves into failure, they shouldn't be bailed out with public money. To alleviate the social impact in cases of bank failures, I'd first redistribute any leftover wealth to small creditors (individuals) and not to business creditors. Businesses should be more smart about where they invest money.

But it looks like Greece, together with the likes of Portugal (not really prosperous countries), are still living well above their actual abilities: Eurostat: Greek Pensions Average €882

Greece had comparable GDP per capita with Slovakia in 2015, but more than twice the average pension than Slovakia! How can they afford such expenses, other than by more borrowing?!

And after 2015 Greece's tourism was also double fucked by the immigrant invasion. Merkel = double whammy for Greece.

"

morbo wrote:

"

Head_Less wrote:

Fault on Greece Gov for doing a shit job, but once the EU decide to clean sheet the bank debts they should also clean sheet the Greek people debt right?

Well, I'm against any bailouts. If a private business fails, it should go down. If a bank becomes insolvent, because they've speculated themselves into failure, they shouldn't be bailed out with public money. To alleviate the social impact in cases of bank failures, I'd first redistribute any leftover wealth to small creditors (individuals) and not to business creditors. Businesses should be more smart about where they invest money.

But it looks like Greece, together with the likes of Portugal (not really prosperous countries), are still living well above their actual abilities: Eurostat: Greek Pensions Average €882

Greece had comparable GDP per capita with Slovakia in 2015, but more than twice the average pension than Slovakia! How can they afford such expenses, other than by more borrowing?!

And after 2015 Greece's tourism was also double fucked by the immigrant invasion. Merkel = double whammy for Greece.

Indeed, Greece should pay it s mistakes but when they erased the EU bank debts it created a double standard.

In the US there would have been no pity for those banks, Like in the Elron case the justice would have rekt them.

EU banks are the worst in the world about ethics, recently they got fined Billions for helping Iran and other regimes.

The Us laws are very clear: You can t have a bank on Us soil loaning money to sanctioned states but the EU banks went "don t give a fuck" and still gave Iran billions.

Merkel was on the front line helping those fucking banks.

Greeks did elect a communist gov so what s coming for them next it their own fault. I just find at the time it would have been fair to act toward them like EU acted toward the banks.

@morbo, @Head_Less
Are you from EU ?