A better nerf to Vaal Discipline

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Phantomforce wrote:

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Darksagex wrote:

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Phantomforce wrote:

running 22k ES every couple of seconds make sense to you? thanks god it will be nerfed, im predicting an ocean of tears from entitled kids and its gonna be glorious :D

I've never had 22k ES ^.^ especially not every two seconds.

DismantleTime has 15k HP with his Marauder, no shield. Legacy League with Legacy Kaom's? This is a buff ;) Now everyone can run around with at least 12k HP. Consider life buffed? :>

everyone can afford to buy vaal discipline but most players wont be able to afford legacy kaoms so try harder next time :D i am waiting for "vaal constitution" that gives 900 flat life for a couple of seconds because how else can copy pasta build sheeple deal with endgame content???

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Phantomforce wrote:

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Darksagex wrote:

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Phantomforce wrote:

running 22k ES every couple of seconds make sense to you? thanks god it will be nerfed, im predicting an ocean of tears from entitled kids and its gonna be glorious :D

I've never had 22k ES ^.^ especially not every two seconds.

DismantleTime has 15k HP with his Marauder, no shield. Legacy League with Legacy Kaom's? This is a buff ;) Now everyone can run around with at least 12k HP. Consider life buffed? :>

everyone can afford to buy vaal discipline but most players wont be able to afford legacy kaoms so try harder next time :D i am waiting for "vaal constitution" that gives 900 flat life for a couple of seconds because how else can copy pasta build sheeple deal with endgame content???

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Darksagex wrote:

In this case though regarding Vaal Disc, you're taking something away that basically hurts one group without really helping or balancing the other.

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Darksagex wrote:

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Ratedetar wrote:

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Darksagex wrote:

I just think the fact that it requires souls to use is is more than enough to keep the skill in check.

This is BS and you know it. We clear mobs in half a second, the thing gets filled up faster than you can blink 5 times.

Again, it has its limits.

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innervation wrote:

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Darksagex wrote:

In this case though regarding Vaal Disc, you're taking something away that basically hurts one group without really helping or balancing the other.

That's not what's happening though. Both groups are getting hurt. Both groups are having their toy taken away. But only one child was the 'bad boy' that deserved to have it taken away. CI builds ruined this skill for their younger step-brother. BABY STEP BROTHER DID NOTHING WRONG - LET HIM STILL HAVE THE TOY.

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Ratedetar wrote:

Doesnt everything ? ;p

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

Nerfing ES little by little. First it was the ES jewel and now Vaal Discipline. Can expect another nerf in 3.0. Better to cushion the drop before the sky falls in 3.0, then having no cushion and just implode is a good PR move and from a balance perspective.



Edit: Though, there might be some buff to ES in 3.0 in regards to ES regen and the start of ES recharge to make up for ES instant leech nerf and maybe ES itself.

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PledgeOfDeath wrote:

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

Nerfing ES little by little. First it was the ES jewel and now Vaal Discipline. Can expect another nerf in 3.0. Better to cushion the drop before the sky falls in 3.0, then having no cushion and just implode is a good PR move and from a balance perspective.



Edit: Though, there might be some buff to ES in 3.0 in regards to ES regen and the start of ES recharge to make up for ES instant leech nerf and maybe ES itself.

Unfortunately, there wasn't. Disgusting how much ES was nerfed. But still, we see marauders and duelists around with 15k HP, 5-6k HP regen. Not to mention that ES recharge is interrupted by damage, and ZO is far to be effective enough, while life regen is constant. And we all know that life has always been more effective than ES on top of that.

I had a scion in 2.6 that had 12k ES without VD (didn't use it though), to end up with less than 8k post-3.0...

If ES has to be nerfed THAT much, then I'm in favour for life to be nerfed as well. 15k HP life with 5-6k regen VS 9k ES AT BEST with maybe 3-4% leech ? Fuck no lol.

As for VD, its only good use now is for EB builds.