Donald Trump and US politics

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diablofdb wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

Great job reaching that conclusion. People who believe in "alternative facts" and refuse to admit they are wrong are invincible. Like-minded people attract. Trump Supporters are remarkably similar to trump. The Narcissist is Never Wrong.

I find it funny how you guys are generalizing as "all trump supporters are..."


do you know why he won... the hypocrisy of the liberals think about it for a second

I ain't your liberals. I would be considered the right wing, which is pretty funny. I don't mind fighting dirty when the other side does it. Republicans aren't the only masters of the dark art.

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diablofdb wrote:

But then go talk to the Liberals, Obama is a god and he has NOOOOO flaws, not even a tiny flaws, he never did a single thing wrong, he is of course the best president of the entire history of the USA. And Hillary is the best politician EVER, she never did anything wrong.


They put their head so deep into the ground and refuse to see the reality, they can't accept being wrong even when the facts are against them. And if you dare using facts that they don't agree with they call you a fascist or worse.

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diablofdb wrote:

I find it funny how you guys are generalizing as "all trump supporters are..."


do you know why he won... the hypocrisy of the liberals think about it for a second

I can't even.... sigh

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diablofdb wrote:

3. Obamacare made it even harder for people to get access to a doctor and made things worse for everyone.

That's a little doublespeak-y.

If the number of doctors didn't change but the number of people able to afford healthcare did (in the positive), then of course there will be less availability.

If you're gonna bang on Obamacare, bang on things like:
- Forcing people (by imposing a fine) to participate in a "free" market,
- Astronomical health insurance costs (caused by using for-profit/private companies to do public works).

The current situation is certainly the worst of both worlds. I, personally, would be in favor of single-payer (or even state-managed health insurance), but the way to get there isn't by bending underneath private insurance companies.

Yess I maintain what I said, hypocrisy. Pure hypocrisy.


You cannot take any critic, you cannot accept being slightly wrong. And over that, you bring zero argument to every debate ever. You just insults people, label them, bait race and violence. And when people get angry at you, you whine for it. That's all there is to say about it.


And yes I maintain what I say, even if it's generalizing to some extend, I won't say all of the liberal are like that. But you must have seen the riot in the cities? People trashing cities just because one man wanted to speak, and you did not agree with what he has to say, so in your little world he should not be allowed to speaks his mind, because his thoughts does not follow your hive set.

Everyday I see the same things, more violence, more insults. Just remember right before the night of the election, that huge ass caricature picturing Trump's supporters as a violent mob of white supremacist who would trash down the cities if they would lose the election... Guess what happen? yeah Hillary's supporters trashed up the cities.... For WEEK.

And then I see it everywhere, people asking for the martial law to get imposed so Trump could not become president, How Fascist is that????

Now tell me.... how you are not an hypocrite.

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diablofdb wrote:

Yess I maintain what I said, hypocrisy. Pure hypocrisy.


You cannot take any critic, you cannot accept being slightly wrong. And over that, you bring zero argument to every debate ever. You just insults people, label them, bait race and violence. And when people get angry at you, you whine for it. That's all there is to say about it.


And yes I maintain what I say, even if it's generalizing to some extend, I won't say all of the liberal are like that. But you must have seen the riot in the cities? People trashing cities just because one man wanted to speak, and you did not agree with what he has to say, so in your little world he should not be allowed to speaks his mind, because his thoughts does not follow your hive set.

Everyday I see the same things, more violence, more insults. Just remember right before the night of the election, that huge ass caricature picturing Trump's supporters as a violent mob of white supremacist who would trash down the cities if they would lose the election... Guess what happen? yeah Hillary's supporters trashed up the cities.... For WEEK.

And then I see it everywhere, people asking for the martial law to get imposed so Trump could not become president, How Fascist is that????

Now tell me.... how you are not an hypocrite.

I'm an hypocrite, because according to you all other liberals are hypocrites, and I must be liberal too, because I disagree with you, so that makes me an hypocrite.

I don't say all liberals as individuals I say the liberal progressive as a political movement. It baffle me how people just sit there and just insult everyone. How do you think people react inside when you call them fascist just for disagreeing with you. Do you think it help to progress the conversation.

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diablofdb wrote:

I don't say all liberals as individuals I say the liberal progressive as a political movement. It baffle me how people just sit there and just insult everyone. How do you think people react inside when you call them fascist just for disagreeing with you. Do you think it help to progress the conversation.

exactly the regressive left movement is terrible (as we see it here), they don't want conversation they ideally want totalitarianism over thoughts. That's why people like Ben Shapiro get barred from speaking into a microphone on a college campus they were invited to speak at. But it's not suppression of speech by their definition.... because if they don't agree with your speech it's "hate speech" and you're not allowed to have a platform.

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diablofdb wrote:

I don't say all liberals as individuals I say the liberal progressive as a political movement. It baffle me how people just sit there and just insult everyone. How do you think people react inside when you call them fascist just for disagreeing with you. Do you think it help to progress the conversation.

I would wear it like a badge of honor. It fill me with joy hurling insults and berating each other. If your squabble are weak and pathetic, you aren't expressing your conviction in your verbal attack. I could do worse but people are just holding back.

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diablofdb wrote:

I don't say all liberals as individuals I say the liberal progressive as a political movement. It baffle me how people just sit there and just insult everyone. How do you think people react inside when you call them fascist just for disagreeing with you. Do you think it help to progress the conversation.

Here's what I don't like about what you wrote, you repeatedly talked about violence and even mentioned rioters as if they represent what it means to be a liberal, and that is not true.

Like any large group, there will always be a small amount of them that f**k things up. When liberals talk about white supremacists that support trump you don't like, do you? Because they don't represent "the face" of your movement, and yet you do the same when it come to liberals.

In short you pick individuals to represent the whole movement in attempt to invalidate what the movement stands for.

If you are against violence, why don't you blame extremists? When you say "The liberals", you are including the rioters, and the average joe that just want to have clean water (for example).

And if the insults are what bothers you, well, I think that even if you get rid of liberals that won't disappear, if you changed sides for example you would be called commie, libtard, snowflake, and cuck among several other things.

I think it's a human thing really, even if the other side disappears, people would just divide themselves in a different way and do it all over again.

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I noticed that some people are using liberals that showed at this post as example of how bad liberals are, let me ask something. How many liberals showed at this post? And how many of them you deem unreasonable?

It's not a rhetorical question, because to me it seems there is only 2 or 3 guys that appear to be liberal that are engaging in heated discussion with conservatives.

One thing that I also noticed is that on both sides the laid back/reasonable conservatives/liberals won't go to places on the internet where they are heavily outnumbered.

For example, if you go to a liberal news website you will find mild and extremist liberals, but the only conservatives willing to go there and debate are the extremist ones (like breitbart/infowars dudes). Mild conservatives are practically non-existent on those environments. The opposite also seems to be true.

It seems that the people capable to hear the other side are unwilling to leave their bubble in fear that they will have to fight the other side while outnumbered. It seems to be another human thing: "I will talk with this dude that agrees with me, rather than put effort in understanding, and communicating with that other dude that disagrees with me". We like things that are easy '~'

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diablofdb wrote:

Obama made 3 big promise for his 8 years:

1. getting out of Irak and Afghanistan
2. Creating job and giving a boost to the economy
3. Giving an affordable healthcare for everyone



1. He ended up going at war with 7+ countries for his 8 years making him the president who was the most at war for the entire history of the USA. Isis is litteraly his creation.

This is nonsense. ISIS is a result of the instability in Iraq caused by us bombing the place back into the stone age. Blaming Obama for that simply because he couldn't fix the mess Bush caused is kind of obscene. There was no winning strategy in Iraq, and cutting our losses was probably not a bad move.

And just counting "who did we engage in war with" is an absurdly incomplete story. At least two out of those seven were wars he inherited from someone else; Libya was a NATO campaign backed by the international community in an attempt to oust a violent dictator. It's a little absurd to first complain about airstrikes against ISIS targets in 7 countries, then complain that "ISIS is litteraly[sic] his creation".

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2. Not only he signed many global trade agreements (such as the TPP he was about to sign) that sent jobs in India, China, Mexico and other countries, but he more than doubled the debt of the USA making it a terrible burden for the next generations. Thx Obama

Have you looked into what the source of that debt is?

http://www.cbpp.org/research/economic-downturn-and-legacy-of-bush-policies-continue-to-drive-large-deficits

It turns out that most of the debt is a direct result of either policies enacted under Bush or the economic downturn. The biggest of those were the Bush-era tax cuts, and Obama tried quite extensively to repeal those. Guess why that didn't happen. What's next, wanna blame him for the downgrade of the US debt?

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate has been slowly dropping and the economy has been recovering pretty much nonstop during his presidency. Perhaps slower than desired, but he never was able to pass that second jobs package.

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3. Obamacare made it even harder for people to get access to a doctor and made things worse for everyone.

Bullshit. Citation needed. What we have now is far more people who, for the first time, can actually afford the healthcare they need. The number of uninsured Americans is lower than ever before. The idea that as a result of this, accessibility has fallen kind of boggles the mind - where did you get that idea?

The reason conservatives tend to admit that Bush was a bad president is that with the benefit of hindsight, you'd have to be deaf, blind, and stupid to miss out on that fact. The reason liberals refuse to admit the same about Obama is because Obama wasn't a bad president. There's a reason he was more popular when he left office than any candidate running.