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Shovelcut wrote:
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
So they tolerate an AH, which is poe.trade.
It's not an AH, it's an indexer. All it does is index the trading section of this website and the contents of public stash tabs.
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KingCaracticus wrote:
don't be so aggressive dude :D
This is what happens when poe.trade goes down for so long. Quitting cold turkey can make people aggressive. lol
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
It's basically an AH, regardless of semantics.
It lists items people wanna buy with many customizable options to make the search easier.
You can look through the items based on price, mods etc. etc.
The only difference between an actual AH and poe.trade is you gotta have a premium stash tab (if you wanna sell), you gotta alt tab to the browser, you gotta whisper the seller, get into a party, go to his hideout, manually buy the item and then get the fuck back to whatever it was you were doing.
A huge hassle for both parties.
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ok poe trade is not an AH, its an Indexer as it was put,then why do we have to rely on a 3rd party "indexer", when GGG could create there own, with far more advanced options etc, on their own website?
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KingCaracticus wrote:
Im not talking about buying the website, the website should NOT exist, im talking about the intellectual property, and implementing some of those aspects into the game.
don't be so aggressive dude :D
The IP belongs to GGG in the first place. A common trading system cannot be copyrighted, so they (xyz) have nothing to offer to GGG in terms of IP, what they can do is an actual, literal, selling of the website and the data in it, which GGG already have in their own data centers (since poe.trade is just a visualization of data collected from GGG's API and forum crawlers).
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vpetrovgb wrote:
why buy a external website when you can implement a proper traiding systen in your own fucking game?
Because this is actually something that GGG could do, why? because it's cheaper, and faster. Buying off a site is common practice almost everywhere. People do it because it means they don't have to invest time and resources into developing their own and just do some adjustments to existing site/system.
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
They don't want an AH. Isn't it obvious?
They tolerate poe.trade, because without it, a huge chunk of players would be upset/quit/whatever. That's why they have to embrace working together to a point. Hiring them is another thing entirely. Short trip from there to D3.
So they tolerate an AH, which is poe.trade.
They know pretty much their entire playerbase is using it.
They also know that if it goes away, so does the playerbase.
And yet they refuse to add something like poe.trade to the actual game.
Someone needs to explain this to me.
Use small words.
Poe.trade is not an AH, it's a data collection site. AH implies that trading is mediated and controlled and managed within a certain system and exchanges happens within that system, poe.trade doesn't do that, it just displays whatever stuff people have on their public stash tabs and from the forum threads, it does not actively offer things to people and you can't actually buy stuff from poe.trade. What GGG didn't want is an AH where it's completely devoid of any form of human interaction whatsoever.
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Posted byultimatecat#0489on Dec 21, 2016, 4:41:04 AM
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Salty "i want a AH" shitlord DDOSing poe.trade
Must be GGG's fault, lul. If anything this is even more reason not to implement anything because people are willing to go that far to fix a non-issue.
I say we go back to the days where people have to go and look up items directly by actually browsing the trade forums, maybe then youll be a bit more appreciative of the free tools being given. :^]
Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in!
Labyrinth salt farm miner.
"But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years.
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Posted byTin_Foil_Hat#0111on Dec 21, 2016, 4:42:07 AM
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vpetrovgb wrote:
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
They don't want an AH. Isn't it obvious?
They tolerate poe.trade, because without it, a huge chunk of players would be upset/quit/whatever. That's why they have to embrace working together to a point. Hiring them is another thing entirely. Short trip from there to D3.
So they tolerate an AH, which is poe.trade.
They know pretty much their entire playerbase is using it.
They also know that if it goes away, so does the playerbase.
And they refuse to add something like poe.trade to the actual game.
Someone needs to explain this to me.
Use small words.
1)in a game where you have no bind of pickup/equip gear an AH = game distruction
2)prices will drop down the ground, you will faceroll/skip content from lvl 30
3)game becomes trival = boring
small enouth?
Dude.
poe.trade is the auction house ffs.
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sarahschneider wrote:
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KingCaracticus wrote:
Im not talking about buying the website, the website should NOT exist, im talking about the intellectual property, and implementing some of those aspects into the game.
don't be so aggressive dude :D
The IP belongs to GGG in the first place. A common trading system cannot be copyrighted, so they (xyz) have nothing to offer to GGG in terms of IP, what they can do is an actual, literal, selling of the website and the data in it, which GGG already have in their own data centers (since poe.trade is just a visualization of data collected from GGG's API and forum crawlers).
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vpetrovgb wrote:
why buy a external website when you can implement a proper traiding systen in your own fucking game?
Because this is actually something that GGG could do, why? because it's cheaper, and faster. Buying off a site is common practice almost everywhere. People do it because it means they don't have to invest time and resources into developing their own and just do some adjustments to existing site/system.
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:
They don't want an AH. Isn't it obvious?
They tolerate poe.trade, because without it, a huge chunk of players would be upset/quit/whatever. That's why they have to embrace working together to a point. Hiring them is another thing entirely. Short trip from there to D3.
So they tolerate an AH, which is poe.trade.
They know pretty much their entire playerbase is using it.
They also know that if it goes away, so does the playerbase.
And yet they refuse to add something like poe.trade to the actual game.
Someone needs to explain this to me.
Use small words.
Poe.trade is not an AH, it's a data collection site. AH implies that trading is mediated and controlled and managed within a certain system and exchanges happens within that system, poe.trade doesn't do that, it just displays whatever stuff people have on their public stash tabs and from the forum threads, it does not actively offer things to people and you can't actually buy stuff from poe.trade. What GGG didn't want is an AH where it's completely devoid of any form of human interaction whatsoever.
Dude, those are technical details.
It serves the same purpose as an AH.
Only it's a huge pain in the ass to use compared to an actual AH.
But the effect is the same.
Last edited by TheDudeOfGaming#2658 on Dec 21, 2016, 4:44:25 AM
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A few people faceroll everything and have headhunters and 6L shavs in first week. The majority of the people is not that fast and not as active on global chat and the forums. Thats why you don´t hear them :)
I`m quite sure that they can implement poe.trade into the game without destryoing it. The main problem of an AH is that you don´t need any kind of player interaction for it and can sell while grinding. If they just copy the functionality into the game, you would still have to browse the available items, wait for the seller to be online and then join his hideout.
The problem of D3 was, that you were able to buy everything in a second. You were able to equip your char in a minute, if you had the gold.
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Posted byraggapaul#2152on Dec 21, 2016, 4:45:36 AM
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
It's basically an AH, regardless of semantics.
It lists items people wanna buy with many customizable options to make the search easier.
You can look through the items based on price, mods etc. etc.
The only difference between an actual AH and poe.trade is you gotta have a premium stash tab (if you wanna sell), you gotta alt tab to the browser, you gotta whisper the seller, get into a party, go to his hideout, manually buy the item and then get the fuck back to whatever it was you were doing.
A huge hassle for both parties.
Not really the case of semantics because it doesn't work the same way, so the saying does not apply. In AH, you buy/sell stuff from/to the AH, not the participants. This means that the AH manages the trade/exchange. Thus requiring zero interaction between the seller and the buyer. This is what GGG does not want.
Poe.trade just collects the information of an already existing data, people's public stash tabs, forum threads. They deal with nothing else. They don't manage the trade, they're not involved in the mediation of the trade, they give zero fucks about whatever's happening in poe. It's a passive system of information.
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Posted byultimatecat#0489on Dec 21, 2016, 4:46:17 AM
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in general it does act as an AH but it`s not. an in game AH is a compleatly different story, you`ll see if they ever make that wrong step.... if there is an AH in game poe will become a botting extravaganza just like all of blizzards rpg`s
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Posted byvpetrovgb#0136on Dec 21, 2016, 4:48:30 AM
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sarahschneider wrote:
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TheDudeOfGaming wrote:
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
It's basically an AH, regardless of semantics.
It lists items people wanna buy with many customizable options to make the search easier.
You can look through the items based on price, mods etc. etc.
The only difference between an actual AH and poe.trade is you gotta have a premium stash tab (if you wanna sell), you gotta alt tab to the browser, you gotta whisper the seller, get into a party, go to his hideout, manually buy the item and then get the fuck back to whatever it was you were doing.
A huge hassle for both parties.
Not really the case of semantics because it doesn't work the same way, so the saying does not apply. In AH, you buy/sell stuff from/to the AH, not the participants. This means that the AH manages the trade/exchange. Thus requiring zero interaction between the seller and the buyer. This is what GGG does not want.
Poe.trade just collects the information of an already existing data, people's public stash tabs, forum threads. They deal with nothing else. They don't manage the trade, they're not involved in the mediation of the trade, they give zero fucks about whatever's happening in poe. It's a passive system of information.
Fine.
There's the difference.
What the fuck is so important in the interaction between seller and buyer anyway?
This went way off track.
I'm fine with poe.trade being the way it is, I don't need or want an AH.
But I do want something like poe.trade to be in the actual fucking game.
Last edited by TheDudeOfGaming#2658 on Dec 21, 2016, 4:49:35 AM
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