Am I the only one to skip trials?

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Thieldan wrote:

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Enduros wrote:

People that don't like lab are either bad at actually controlling their character... or spoiled by playing OP builds to the point that they find it extremely irritating not to be able to whirling blade though everything. Some of the lab things take a very methodical approach if you want to do them without risk and there will be people that find this annoying. To each their own.

People usually enjoy difficult stuff and like to be challenged, it's not because some lab stuff succeeds at being tedious that they are interesting or fun in any way (to most players anyway), if it's your thing good for you.

Also, if I wanted to play a platformer I would stick to Super Meat Boy, it's a better platformer than the lab.

The lab is not difficult by itself. It's poorly designed.


Actually, there is 3 situations:

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You are fresh and new, discovering the game.

The gear is quite bad, the build is not decent.

After 15 mins of Lab, you find the first aspirant's trial and meet izaro. You kill him but it was quite tedious because the mechanics arent easy to learn.

After 30 mins you find the second izaro form, barely manage to kill him. But you did it!

after 45 mins, you fight the third izaro form and die!


Congratulation, you lost 45 mins of your life for absolute no reward, the difficulty was fine for the traps but the last boss send you to mars. Now be angry, you can retry to waste your time again and lose experience while leveling. 45 MINs.

Then you realize that the labyrinth doesnt save your progression. And that you cannot retry without redoing everything.

Then you cry inside.

You didnt know Quick silver flask was a thing. You didnt know izaro is a crazy cow. You didnt know your build was so unefficient. It's not your fault. This game is a pervert.


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You think it will be fine but get OS by izaro with frenzy charges at the third trial.
(uber izaro deals up to 7500 damage LACERATE with charges, not the telegraphed oneshot slam )

3-

You clear labyrinth under 5 mins and it's so easy. Cuz you know how to do it, with a decent build and gear.



oh sorry: i forgot a 4 situation:

You play CI, are a semi beginner and relatively ungeared but 6K ES and you get raped by traps. No life potion, enjoy. You are even more unlucky: you use a Wand and never tried flame dash, your lightning warp is ultra slow and often buggy so it fails to teleport you then ultimately you die crushed by a trap.

Best experience ever.




Honestly, does it look like good design? It's enterily made to give advantages to the "players with knownledge about mechanics and builds", the freshmen get fucked. the labyrinth doesnt require fast reaction, speed nor ability. It requires PLANNING, gear, skill tree and good flask setup, WITH MOVEMENT SKILLS OR 100% + MS.

Even aztiri is more "beginner friendly", and it's a pure end game content.

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Druga1757 wrote:

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Docbp87 wrote:

I obviously don't skip trials while I am still working to get them all unlocked. Once I have them all unlocked however, I am more selective with which ones I do. The trials that can be done relatively quickly are almost always worth it (either for a key to do a run, and get some guaranteed cash, or for a key to sell for a few C if the layout on that day is shit).

As tedious as some folks feel the lab is, the "FUCK LAB, ;_;" threads are far more tedious.

If you don't like Lab, don't go in it. If you don't like a thread, go in it and complain about how much you don't like it.

This is ABSURD. Labyrinth a mandatory to play the endgame properly, for the ascendacy points. Yes, it's doable to kill shapper without ascendancy, maybe... but you are shooting an arrow in your knee ;)

It's mandatory if you want to "finish" a character or a build, because yes 0 ascendancy is quite... lame ? thoses bonuses are so great and interresting, it's like choosing a class, you character is not the same before and after!

So ascendancy is awesome? And labyrinth ... sucks?

So if you cannot skip content to be effective and competitive against the game, and if this content is not fun... you are forced to "play" it without having fun at all. Not enjoyable, right?

Dont you see the problem? Game forces you to do this part that you dislike but it's not optionnal. You can perfectly skip a thread on the forum if you dislike it's content.

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Geisalt wrote:

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Thieldan wrote:

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Enduros wrote:

People that don't like lab are either bad at actually controlling their character... or spoiled by playing OP builds to the point that they find it extremely irritating not to be able to whirling blade though everything. Some of the lab things take a very methodical approach if you want to do them without risk and there will be people that find this annoying. To each their own.

People usually enjoy difficult stuff and like to be challenged, it's not because some lab stuff succeeds at being tedious that they are interesting or fun in any way (to most players anyway), if it's your thing good for you.

Also, if I wanted to play a platformer I would stick to Super Meat Boy, it's a better platformer than the lab.

The lab is not difficult by itself. It's poorly designed.


Actually, there is 3 situations:

1-

You are fresh and new, discovering the game.

The gear is quite bad, the build is not decent.

After 15 mins of Lab, you find the first aspirant's trial and meet izaro. You kill him but it was quite tedious because the mechanics arent easy to learn.

After 30 mins you find the second izaro form, barely manage to kill him. But you did it!

after 45 mins, you fight the third izaro form and die!


Congratulation, you lost 45 mins of your life for absolute no reward, the difficulty was fine for the traps but the last boss send you to mars. Now be angry, you can retry to waste your time again and lose experience while leveling. 45 MINs.

Then you realize that the labyrinth doesnt save your progression. And that you cannot retry without redoing everything.

Then you cry inside.

You didnt know Quick silver flask was a thing. You didnt know izaro is a crazy cow. You didnt know your build was so unefficient. It's not your fault. This game is a pervert.

My first time in lab got in lost my self and after 30 mins found izaro just to get instagibed by green bitch and him(frenzy didn't know at how it worked at the time). Honestly i liked that since everything before that was rats that can't touch me. I spent next 3 hours trying to kill him with same crap gear and I did it. getting in treasure room after that work was just pure fucking joy. Now I do lab moment i get in Sarn.

So from my noob point of view lab is only content we get that is actually fun and i learned a lot in it everything else that newbie experiences is just lame grind I wish game had more things like lab where teleport=try again.

My main beef with trials is with the most effective way to do the hard traps. It's to just pop a quicksilver and run through it hoping for the best. The lab traps are generally much safer or have more safe spots to hide in. That gives you enough time to figure out the trap. I don't really see this as that much of a problem for most builds but when you get a build that is really weak against traps it kinda sucks. I do like the rush you get when doing a trial in hc but really with how often disconnects happen on the internet in general it's questionable to run them.

It should be, do it once in merciless and get all 6 points and if you choose to do the uber, then do it. ofc if you want those points on normal and cruel you could do them too but give merciless all 6.

Lab sucks, because you can't trade there. Because mobs have tar there. Because it's tedious, boring and long. You can't die, you can't leave, you can't get dc/crash. You can't do anything. 15 minutes of long boring way to overpowered boss, who can one hit you.

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MadCat04 wrote:

My first time in lab got in lost my self and after 30 mins found izaro just to get instagibed by green bitch and him(frenzy didn't know at how it worked at the time). Honestly i liked that since everything before that was rats that can't touch me. I spent next 3 hours trying to kill him with same crap gear and I did it. getting in treasure room after that work was just pure fucking joy. Now I do lab moment i get in Sarn.

So from my noob point of view lab is only content we get that is actually fun and i learned a lot in it everything else that newbie experiences is just lame grind I wish game had more things like lab where teleport=try again.

it s not a smooth experience, but if you like it it's great ;) usually ppls dislike difficulty spikes from nowhere! especially when they dont have 3hours

I like trials and the lab.

Hi OP, me too, i do only for points, and 2 extra points i pay to any guy carry me on uber lab, after that never back to the lab with same hero, labs its fine to who like this, for me this its not a challenge but its a annoying thing