Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - Death Penalties - Forum

I like wyldmage's idea. I need to reread the question... how about a naming penalty? Die once and I'm Underscore. Twice, Underscore the weak. Thrice, Underscore the inept. So on and so forth.	Posted by Underscore#5001 on Sep 16, 2011, 8:20:18 PM Quote this Post
" Chris wrote: The purpose of this "Developer Discussion" forum is for us to discuss topics with you that we feel we need feedback on. We haven't decided on a system for death penalties in Path of Exile. Clearly in specific leagues like hardcore there is a well defined death penalty, but we haven't come up with anything solid for default play. I understand that this has already been discussed here, but I'd like to build a bigger discussion that hopefully results in some kind of decision. Currently, when a player dies, they can respawn (with no penalty) in that act's town. We will probably be introducing something like town portals, soon, so we're going to need a more appropriate penalty. We don't like the idea of dropping an item upon death, because players of the default league have specifically chosen to not suffer permanent loss when they die. Having an experience penalty is possible, but maybe there's something more interesting we can do. Do you guys have any ideas for how we can handle this in an interesting way?	Posted by mrhuy1202#3683 on Sep 17, 2011, 2:50:44 AM Quote this Post
Just throwing another idea into the pot: -Like in Guild Wars, you get a penalty to all/some stats , which decreases as you continue to kill mobs, or resets when you return to town. If you keep dying continuously the debuff will keep stacking. A very elegant solution, for when there's no currency. -You drop/lose your scrolls of identification, non-rare items which you get from trading. -You get a humiliating title/effect/aura on your character. Death doesn't have to be too punishing. Last edited by ddelpercio#2940 on Sep 17, 2011, 9:46:22 AM	Posted by ddelpercio#2940 on Sep 17, 2011, 9:44:24 AM Quote this Post
I am in favor of the Loss of EXP Death Penalty... It extends the game and makes it harder to level. Even the loss of abilities makes it that much more important to get your level back. True you'll have your crew of lvl 1 twinks running around in high level gear... but maybe there's a good counter against that (can't lose levels?) I don't know, but in addition to that -- don't put a level cap! Instead make it so that you still get experience (Like in Legends of Kesmai) and gain levels for prestige purposes (you don't get extra stats or abilities) and make it double for every level. i.e. lvl 1 - 10 exp, lvl 2 - 20 exp... etc... That way you can keep a kind of competition amongst those hardcores to be the highest level etc... Hell maybe even make pvp leech experience... A few ideas to throw on the table. -Wanderer	Posted by dbxwanderer#5967 on Sep 17, 2011, 5:31:37 PM Quote this Post
Maybe this was suggested already (wasn't browsing 77 pages to see lol) but maybe have an EXP and potentially drop related debuff that will be applied every time you die. Say a debuff that gives you a 25% experience reduction for 15-30 minutes. Every time you die with that debuff on you, it resets it back to the default time. Or potentially something that lowers your chances for getting really good drops with a similar duration and reseting mechanic. Maybe that's too harsh, but I feel it makes death have weight without the player losing the gear they've already earned, or sticking us with horrible corpse running. Last edited by Reddaye#1083 on Sep 17, 2011, 11:29:55 PM	Posted by Reddaye#1083 on Sep 17, 2011, 11:29:00 PM Quote this Post
I don't know if that as been proposed yet, but you could give a quest xp bonus to a character who made a quest without diying, rewarding the player for his prowess instaed of punishing the one who have difficulties.	Posted by Corbo#1713 on Sep 18, 2011, 9:19:12 AM Quote this Post
Haven't played the game yet but I'm hoping to play it soon. These are a few ideas for Death Penalties. -Drop a certain percentage of the money you currently have on you or a couple items of average value for your level if you don't have a substantial amount of money. -Upon death receive a 5% stat debuff that lasts anywhere from 30min - 1hour. -Lose a small percent of xp upon death. -Have the option to try escaping purgatory instead of losing money or receiving a debuff and spawning at the graveyard. (Purgatory could be a series of puzzles of increasing difficulty that you have to complete and every time you get one wrong mobs come out and you have to defeat them to continue. Kinda gives a break from all the gory fun.)	Posted by Drew17#2391 on Sep 18, 2011, 4:40:04 PM Quote this Post
Yeah i think deleveling and money loss penalties for default would suffice. Its nothing permanent cuz you can get both the money and levels back imo. Makes dying a hassle a provokes less reckless play, while people own their skills and pay for it if they get too greedy and die xD ~A coward dies a thousand times, a hero dies but once...~	Posted by Euthenasiia#7413 on Sep 18, 2011, 9:59:23 PM Quote this Post
" Silver wrote: Bad Ideas for a Death Penalty - Losing Experience. Why should a player, who has been patiently trying to level his character be punished in this way? This was one of the reason I hated Diablo 2, it was a stupid penalty then and is still a ridiculous penalty. - Losing Items, or Corpse Running. Why force the player back into a difficult situation with absolutely no killing power? It's not fun and doesn't work. You want a fun enjoyable game? Then this is absolutely not the way to go. - Losing Gold Directly at Death - Another bad Idea, how can you possibly support an gold based economy if everyone is losing all their gold when they die? It just devalues gold. Better Solutions to this problem of Character Death. - Place Check Points in strategic Areas inside the instance (Safe Zones if you will) so that the player does not have to run terribly far back to the point were they died. These check points can be as often as you like. Because town portals will be available to the player, he will not need to respawn in town, unless he wants to go there with a town portal. - The major and only penalty for death should be durability lose on gear. Durability that needs the be repaired. Now, I might suggest expensive Field Repair Kits that give the player the choice of repairing gear in the field if they need to. I do not suggest that durability be easy to lose though as that would be annoying. Gold alone could also be used to repair durability. In this way gold is a little more valuable. I'm not advocating that durability gets diminished any other way, just through death. Once an item breaks it must be repaired to gain benefits from it or use it out-right in terms of weapons. I like these ideas from this poster.. I don't often die in a game, but I DO die - usually it is because of these: 1.) Power outage (especially in the winter).. 2.) MOB's having an aggro radius of redundant distances.. 3.) MOB's spaced to close to each other and - stay that way. This I believe is a Dev's sense of humor?? :( (Solo-play here).. 4.) BAD targeting - to me this is extremely important to have a acute targeting system. Expecially when all of a sudden the critters friends and relatives show up to also beat on you with glee! Just my opinion here and also NO to losing your gear - your bod or your gold! "Never seperate the life you lead.. from the words you speak.	Posted by SierraDawn#0970 on Sep 19, 2011, 1:42:46 PM Quote this Post
Losing exp on death is an awful idea. In a gear/character progression based game, dying once or twice just makes the game TAKE LONGER, and doesn't make it more fun for anyone. I'm a big fan of the whole Player Aura and Title on death. With each successive death, the aura gets more intense and the title more extravagantly insulting. After 20 deaths to the same boss, someone will have a disgusting red trail slagging behind them with their name temporarily changed to "Player the n00bcake" Basically the idea here is that death can be fun, and outside of hardcore it should be as fun as possible. Hell, i'd probably kill my softcore characters a bit just to make them have cool auras and to see how far the insult titles go :D	Posted by Cryft#4934 on Sep 19, 2011, 9:00:39 PM Quote this Post