Death Penalties

@Wisler: i know the feeling. :P That's why there are different leagues, because not all the players like to be punished that bad (HC).


@Erih: i agree, sending the player back to town when dies is a big punishment, that together with the increased XP loss in each difficulty i think that it's just fine.

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SpectralSlice wrote:

If I die because I go, run around, then freeze and in that 6 seconds before I d/c some mobs from off screen run up and kill me (the cause of about 40% of my deaths) or there's already some mobs that I'm fighting and I freeze mid fight (cause of another 15%) and I die because of that or zone, die on zone in before disconnecting (20%) what does that teach me?

It teachs you that you either have to reset your router or get a more stable connection. /trollmodeoff

I live at the other side of the world with a 3 mb wireless conection and i've had no major lag issues. I also play D3, and i can tell you that i have more lag issues when playing D3. Although, that can be explained because they have many more players online. PoE is on closed beta, when it gets open we will see the real difference.

Again, I have these problems NO WHERE ELSE. If it were me, I'd be unable to download anything over about 2 MB, would be constantly kicked from other games...

Instead it seems like anything that'd normally cause a slight lag spike, like 300ish latency instead just freezes and kicks outright.

i wouldnt like, if there came death penalty in this, just like in d2, you die lose all gear, rejoin and take it at stash, and there isnt gold, so i dont rly find a use full reason for this death penalty

I am not a fan of systems which lets you lose something when you die. I would prefer a system which slose you a little bit.

For Example: When you die you will get a buff which reduce the gained xp for your character and or your gems for lets say half an hour. When you die while you have this buff the effect is restored to its full duration with a higher reduction (stackable).

This system forces you to reconsider your tacticts or go back to get better equipment. If you don't do that and die some times in a row your XP-gain will be reduced to nearly zero.
Well, its just a good system for player under the maxlevel.

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Galbors wrote:

For Example: When you die you will get a buff which reduce the gained xp for your character and or your gems for lets say half an hour. When you die while you have this buff the effect is restored to its full duration with a higher reduction (stackable).

I'd prefer a debuff like this too. It's absolutely detrimental to motivation to continue playing if a fixed amount of experience is taken from the player when they die. There should always be a feeling that you progress, no matter what the speed. Otherwise what's the point.

I get this feeling that people put up with the insane amounts of time to level up high level characters in MMO games, because they can see themselves having gotten closer to that next level after every session. If that progress was suddenly taken away and their entire session amounted to no progress at all, or even worse they have to start the whole next level all over again, I bet there'd be a lot less people playing the said game.

Slowing down a player's progress is ok. Taking the progress away completely on a whim is not. If one character gets stuck, unable to progress, what motivation would there be for the player to start another, knowing that it can end up just the same.

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HitmanN wrote:

Slowing down a player's progress is ok. Taking the progress away completely on a whim is not. If one character gets stuck, unable to progress, what motivation would there be for the player to start another, knowing that it can end up just the same.

That's what I wanted to say :) And in fact I just got frustrated in this moment because of the actual system. 4 gems were ready to level up, but I didn't match the level requierement. Now it happened that I always dieed two times in a row or so in the moment short before I could lvl up... very frustrating.

We agree on a debuff i think.
Gone are the days of systems that make you lose EXP at death and more to that if this lost exp was gained over a long period of time and is lost in a blink of an eye.

This game is amazing but not because the death penalties or the horrible FFA loot system.
It's amazing because of the unlimited freedom it offers in terms of builds and gear and skills.
Thing like death penalty and FFA loot is not what makes this game and GGG should know that.

I think enemies should get their health replenished (or a part of it if you are playing as a party)
Its simply lame to kill a boss while dying 10 times

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MrLordCaptain wrote:

I think enemies should get their health replenished (or a part of it if you are playing as a party)
Its simply lame to kill a boss while dying 10 times

Last night I was playing the Act 2 last boss solo on ruthless. Up until that point my build had worked decently, but that boss one-shotted me every time with the laser attack if it hit. The only way I could kill the boss was to 'die-n-portal' like a dozen times. It wouldn't have helped if the boss needed to two-shot me, or probably even three-shot me, it would've been impossible to beat with anything but sheer luck of having the laser attacks miss me most of the time.

So if the boss regains its health, the difficulty needs to be brought down for solo play drastically. I would understand the one-shotting if you used active skills to skip the normal enemies, to get to the boss with inferior level, gear and skills. But if your build works fine to get yourself to the boss fight by defeating any normal or special mobs in the dungeons until then, your build and gear has to be good enough that the boss won't just one-shot you like that.

That sorta mentality is Diablo 3 inferno stuff, which made a lot of people quit the game. (I did too, but not just for the inferno stuff). I've loved Path of Exile (much more than D3) until now, but that boss fight gave me some serious flashbacks of D3 inferno, with the only exception that being able to defeat the boss by die-n-portal gave me an actual chance, unlike in D3.

I wouldn't object the boss dropping inferior loot if defeated this way though. I just want to be able to progress in the game. If you want to reward those who can do things the harder way, go ahead. They've earned it.

I am not totally agreeing with the last speaker, but I think the essence is that sometimes you meet enemeies or groups (independent of your skills and gear) for which you have to be really lucky to defeat them without dying 2,3 times or even more.
Wants GGG say to us in such situation that we better have to wait for the next lvl up for not losing all our experience of this level? I hope no!