Where is the downside of Shavronne?

Where is the downside to a 6*T1 mirror worthy rare weapon? Or are those OK since they are expensive/very rare?

Shavronne's wrappings is highest tier unique rarity. The only real problem with it is it's BIS for low life, due only to the unique property chaos damage does not bypass energy shield. As soon as they put that property on something better (it doesn't even need to be a chest piece - GGG could very well one day add a shield/helm/ring/etc with that property), or add it to the passive tree as a notable, the value of shav's will drop to 1 chaos.

It's missing ~400 ES and ~90 resist compared to a good rare ES chest. Heck if you're blood magic low life and could find "chaos damage does not bypass energy shield" anywhere else you might even use infernal mantle to reach 100% chaos conversion + crit + fire level.

There's a pretty large opportunity cost for low life builds having to use shavronne's wrappings, because it's lackluster in every other way.

PS.
If solaris lorica was the only unique in the game with that property, would you demand additional downsides to it? The total difference in ES+resist between solaris lorica and a shavronne's wrappings is less than the total difference in ES+resist between shavronne's wrappings and a good rare ES chest.
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Shavronne's Wrappings = (336 to 420) of Energy Shield

And a Vaal Regalia can get 600-900+ Energy Shield... AND tons more Resists! THERES your drawback.

Try getting 10K ES with a Shavs... Its easier to get 15K+ Without it going CI.

So you lose a significant amount of ES to reserve a couple more auras. Not to mention you could just not have those extra auras run a decent ES chest and have tons more ES AND Life as hybrid.

Shavs biggest downside besides the loss in ES in comparison to other ES chest is also the price of not only the Shav's itself but the rest of the ES gear you will need to make Low Life work well.
I think thats one of the biggest misconceptions about the Shav's chest is that you simply get a shav's and BOOM you have an OP Low Life build... When its not even close to that simple. That chest is only part of what you need to make a GOOD Low Life build.
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Demonoz wrote:
Shavronne's Wrappings = (336 to 420) of Energy Shield

And a Vaal Regalia can get 600-900+ Energy Shield... AND tons more Resists! THERES your drawback.

Try getting 10K ES with a Shavs... Its easier to get 15K+ Without it going CI.

So you lose a significant amount of ES to reserve a couple more auras. Not to mention you could just not have those extra auras run a decent ES chest and have tons more ES AND Life as hybrid.

Shavs biggest downside besides the loss in ES in comparison to other ES chest is also the price of not only the Shav's itself but the rest of the ES gear you will need to make Low Life work well.
I think thats one of the biggest misconceptions about the Shav's chest is that you simply get a shav's and BOOM you have an OP Low Life build... When its not even close to that simple. That chest is only part of what you need to make a GOOD Low Life build.


Unique chests have lower values compared to a good rare, it is the unique passive that determines if it is worth the tradeoff or not.

And then look at this, they even added the 3D art with talisman's update, still a fun chest, but the tradeoff is just too much.

And btw shav builds are focusing on dmg, while CI on defenses, so it makes no sense to compare them, also you can run RF on lowlife, but not on CI.
It is like comparing an 1h+ shield build to a 2h build, even if they have the same attack skill, the purpose is completely different.

About the "biggest misconception": Well it is not like any1 planned to play with only a chestpiece on their char.
In a new league especially, getting something that offers more ES than a shavs is pretty hard (not to talk about spelldmg and one time 30+ resist), so stop with this, we all know the only problem with shavs is, that it is really rare and the demand is high, since it is one of the items that are just good.
If the only lowlife enabling item would be the ghetto shavs, then your statement would be right, but sadly this is not the case.
Last edited by krenderke on Feb 13, 2016, 7:49:11 PM
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In a new league especially, getting something that offers more ES than a shavs is pretty hard


lolwut? 700+ ES chests are just a few chaos at this point, and they're not that hard to find early in the league relative to shavs. By the time Shavs are available at decent prices, 700+ ES chests are also available at decent prices.
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the price is the down side....
I dont see any any key!
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Vhlad wrote:
Where is the downside to a 6*T1 mirror worthy rare weapon? Or are those OK since they are expensive/very rare?

Shavronne's wrappings is highest tier unique rarity. The only real problem with it is it's BIS for low life, due only to the unique property chaos damage does not bypass energy shield. As soon as they put that property on something better (it doesn't even need to be a chest piece - GGG could very well one day add a shield/helm/ring/etc with that property), or add it to the passive tree as a notable, the value of shav's will drop to 1 chaos.

It's missing ~400 ES and ~90 resist compared to a good rare ES chest. Heck if you're blood magic low life and could find "chaos damage does not bypass energy shield" anywhere else you might even use infernal mantle to reach 100% chaos conversion + crit + fire level.

There's a pretty large opportunity cost for low life builds having to use shavronne's wrappings, because it's lackluster in every other way.

PS.
If solaris lorica was the only unique in the game with that property, would you demand additional downsides to it? The total difference in ES+resist between solaris lorica and a shavronne's wrappings is less than the total difference in ES+resist between shavronne's wrappings and a good rare ES chest.


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You... you do know that unique items don't need to have downsides...

Yes?

Please... tell me you know that?
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Where is the downside of Shavronne?

It is rare as fuck.
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The unique chest balance is non-existent. Kaoms/lightning coil/belly of the beast/Shavronnes wrappings are literally always the best chest for every build. The only exception is that sometimes a rare energy shield chest with 700+ es can be better if you choose ci over low life. However, with the Templar guardian providing flat armor for life reserved, I feel that guardian + Shavs is always going to beat ci now for survivability And obviously the extra 2 auras will make it win in damage. There really needs to be either a keystone with a heavy downside or an ascendancy class that gives you the "chaos damage does not bypass energy shield" affect to negate the prominence of Shavs. Would also be nice to see Lightning coil made legacy.
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jimdawg57 wrote:
However, with the Templar guardian providing flat armor for life reserved, I feel that guardian + Shavs is always going to beat ci now for survivability And obviously the extra 2 auras will make it win in damage.


There are many many juicy things you give up by going Guardian Templar.

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