Donald Trump

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SkyCore wrote:

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Paldamus wrote:

A pointless post about meaningless dribble. What difference does it make who the next puppet is... they're all the same. At the end of the day society = one group of humans, controlling another group of humans. It's all an illusion.

George carlin did a good piece on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgps85scy1g

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Jojas wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

... socialist nonsense like HIV treatment or the million other programs. Then you'll see real darwinism left always whines about. See Venezuela.

That's not even a slippery slope anymore, you just jumped right off the cliff.

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Paldamus wrote:

A pointless post about meaningless dribble. What difference does it make who the next puppet is... they're all the same.

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"We did go to war, if you remember," Stahl said. "We went to Iraq."

"Yeah," Trump replied, "you went to Iraq" — note the use of the second person there — "but that was handled so badly. And, by the way, that was a war that we shouldn't have entered."

Recall, at this point, that Trump is sitting next to his running mate, Mike Pence. And Mike Pence supported the Iraq War. This is something Stahl noted.

"Your running mate voted for it," she said.

Trump’s reply? "I don't care."

Stop for a moment and let that sink in. Trump did not try to explain away Pence’s vote. He did not say that Pence had learned from his vote. He just said, flatly, "I don’t care."

Stahl, at this point, seemed genuinely shocked. "What do you mean you don't care that he voted for it?"

"It's a long time ago," Trump said. "And he voted that way, and they were also misled. A lot of information was given to people." Here, again, it’s worth quoting what came next:

Lesley Stahl: But you've harped on this.

Donald Trump: But I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning.

Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but you've used that vote of Hillary [Clinton]'s that was the same as Gov. Pence as the example of her bad judgment.

Donald Trump: Many people have, and frankly, I'm one of the few that was right on Iraq.

Lesley Stahl: Yeah, but what about he—

Donald Trump: He's entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.

Lesley Stahl: But she's not? Okay, come on—

Donald Trump: But she's not—

Lesley Stahl: She's not?

Donald Trump: No. She's not.

Lesley Stahl: Got it.

Let’s recap: Donald Trump says he opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning, which he didn’t. He says one reason you can’t trust Hillary Clinton’s judgment is that she supported the war in Iraq. But his vice presidential pick also supported the war in Iraq, and his justification for that is, literally, "I don’t care." When asked to explain the discrepancy, his answer, literally, is that Mike Pence is allowed to make mistakes and Hillary Clinton isn’t.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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Jojas wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

... socialist nonsense like HIV treatment or the million other programs. Then you'll see real darwinism left always whines about. See Venezuela.

That's not even a slippery slope anymore, you just jumped right off the cliff.

Sometimes it is easy to get wrapped up in the details and unintentionally forget about the broader picture. I know I've done it myself before.

Although the Constitution does enumerate many things specifically, the phrase in the preamble
"promote the general Welfare" carries a fair amount of weight in interpreting the powers listed.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The enumerated powers that allow HIV funding would fall under:

Article 1,

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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There are differences of opinion on whether current interpretation of enumerated powers as exercised by Congress is constitutionally sound.

One school of thought is called strict constructionism. Strict constructionists refer to a statement on the enumerated powers by Chief Justice Marshall in the case McCulloch v. Maryland:[5]

"This government is acknowledged by all, to be one of enumerated powers. The principle, that it can exercise only the powers granted to it, would seem too apparent, to have required to be enforced by all those arguments, which its enlightened friends, while it was depending before the people, found it necessary to urge; that principle is now universally admitted."[5]

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Xavderion wrote:

I like the added commentary throughout the interview so you know exactly what you're supposed to think.

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Xavderion wrote:

I like the added commentary throughout the interview so you know exactly what you're supposed to think.

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Donald Trump: He's entitled to make a mistake every once in a while.

Lesley Stahl: But she's not? Okay, come on—

Donald Trump: But she's not—

Lesley Stahl: She's not?

Donald Trump: No. She's not.

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Xavderion wrote:

She's often confused.

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We also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on, they are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids who are called superpredators. No conscience. No empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way but first we have to bring them to heel...