Greece financial crisis
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" i was actually thinking about stuff like this while getting ready this morning. About how strange of a place have we come to where being a business major is about the best possible way to get ahead in life. Your entire life work is wheeling in dealing in other people's work of life, and captalizing/making way more money than the people actually doing the work. It is a pretty messed up place we have found ourselves in. The value of money/economy is based on how much money people owe, how much debt you can carry, and how much interest runs on the debt you carry: How much money can you move around. Significant works do not matter as much as branding and packaging and lending and advertising. Life has become very strange indeed. Hey...is this thing on? Last edited by LostForm on Jul 9, 2015, 11:38:58 AM
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" The theory says that entrepeneurs have to take a lot more risk and responsibility. Think it this way: they have to organize many people, and their mistakes can fuck up a whole organization. The theory says that capital is important because it represents the availability of resources and capital goods needed to work. Things like banks are needed to capitalize big projects. The theory says that marketing (specifically the whole branding and advertising) is needed to fill the information gap between the consumer and the product or service. That being said, all this is abusable in practice, but this are necessary evils until something better comes along. Add a Forsaken Masters questline
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my points of contention or bafflement dont come from the theories but the actual applications and how far afield from the necessary 'evils' they started as. questions like 'why is kanye west more valuable to society than middle school math teachers?' or why does a stock portfolio manager make more than small business workers in a large varities of fields. Hey...is this thing on? Last edited by LostForm on Jul 9, 2015, 3:25:23 PM
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" Thing with famous people is that they they have a lot of demand, so their value increases, and teachers are undervalued. That is more a problem with society per se, rather than capitalism. The costs are going to be stupid in the future, so this doesn't come free. And the stock portfolio manager probably has a lot of ways of screwing up, so it's a variant of my other post. I don't like it too, but it's not like it doesn't make sense. Add a Forsaken Masters questline
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nero, the things i am talking about are not the product of capitalism or a knock against capitalism. More of problems inherent to money being disconnected from reality and basically an artificial social construct. It is why things like quanitative easing can happen, and no I am not knocking quanitative easing either, it was necessary since we gave pretty much all the money in the world to one entity, but rather using it to illustrate that money does not have value except in terms of 'money', it is circular and not based on anything except how much money begets money.
These things are reality, and you can even trace the history of how we got here, but it doesnt mean it makes sense or isnt set up specifically as a social construct. Much of recent (last 30 years or so) economic policy has been geared towards establishing oligarchies, to put all the power in very few hands, it is a tool of power not a tool of trade. Hey...is this thing on? Last edited by LostForm on Jul 9, 2015, 4:51:24 PM
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Money is an artificial construct. But it has to be backed by the GDP of a country (and other factors), so it has a real basis for its value.
You can't just print money. Add a Forsaken Masters questline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2297942 Last edited by NeroNoah on Jul 9, 2015, 6:15:18 PM
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" The gdp figures are based on profits not on useful assets. Money uses itself to to define itself. It's just cleverly hidden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product#Limitations_and_criticisms The actual calculations have no shortage of faults even if you ignore its self referencing sleight of hand. http://seekingalpha.com/article/1368001-u-s-governments-new-way-of-calculating-gdp This article highlights some more of the underhanded tricks involved with the gdp. As a side note pay careful attention to the total stock market cap divided by the gdp chart for the time around 2001. " Huh. The us mint, accomplishing the impossible since 1792. http://www.mindcontagion.org/fed/createmoney.html But seriously, money is created by a collusion between the government and a bank. For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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@Skycore: your criticism about the GDP is absolutely right. Money should be more correlated to the strength of an economy. But that's another can of worms, an interesting one.
Also, a government can print money (of course), but beyond some point, you end with stupid amounts of inflation because you have the same things backing it up. You can't just print money (or go to Mordor, by the way). Add a Forsaken Masters questline
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To get back on topic, Tsipras has agreed to do some reforms but in return he wants another 53.5 billion Euros...
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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" Tsipras has agreed to almost all reforms proposed by Germany(including severe cuts on wages and tax increases on the already overburdened middle class), but what he actually wants is a good percentage of the debt to be written off, the same thing that happened with Germany where almost 60% of it's debt was written off, after they fucked up the whole Europe(greece included-we had over 400 000 casualties). And while the US supports Tsipras on this, the German goverment says it's out of the quetion. At this point German politicians are acting like Nazis, there is no better way to put this. I am pretty sure that alot of German people know the situation better and will not elect this Nazi bitch another time. Either way we are fucked. There is also a pretty good chance Tsipras and Syriza will quit and will have elections again, what Germany wanted in the first place, in order to have the right wing goverment again whom they always agreed on everything without any hesitation. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow
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