Hypothetical: Legacy flavour text?

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vector292 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Idioticus wrote:

It is a very common joke that a man wakes up next to another man or some beastly woman after a night of drugs/alcohol/whatever.
A heterosexual man who isn't a homophobe, would be extremely distraught after finding out they had sex with another man.

Former President George H.W. Bush awakes with a groan. The previous night is a blur. Who does he think he is? His son?

He strains past the throbbing in his head to sit up in bed. Unusual specs of green pepper the fog of his vision. As focus comes, apprehension builds. In a matter of seconds, there can be no denying it.

Half-eaten broccoli. Half-eaten broccoli everywhere.

"Oh my God," George whispers to himself, "what if I actually enjoyed it?"

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That is how silly you sound to me.

But if you were to take the original text and have it about broccoli instead and someone said they are offended because they really like broccoli, would there be the same controversy? I doubt there would be.

Most of these situations involve groups of people that want to be treated equally yet focus solely on things that benefit them. In this situation changing it could potentially offend pro heterosexual people or anti gays.

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Antnee wrote:

What people so often forget is that there is a relativity of wrong when dealing with bigotry.

As a white man, I take offense at the thought of a black man calling me a cracker. It's racist, and it's most definitely an asshole thing to do. But ultimately, it means nothing. I'm still a member of a class of people who are under no threat of mass-hysteria, violence, or daily dehumanization. It's an anomaly, and one that ultimately has cost me nothing.

The same is true of my status as heterosexual, cisgendered, and upper middle class. Throw stones at me all you want; those stones aren't numerous enough to build up to the point where I fear an avalanche.

If you think for a second that the reverse is also true, you're an infantile fool.

Marginalized groups (such as trans folk) are under constant attack, and have to defend their very right to exist in a court of law. They are dehumanized to a point where they lay claim to the highest rates of eating disorders, suicide, and mental illness in the world.

...and as long as we normalize these harmless little jokes at their expense, nothing will change. If you're going to hold your freedom of speech above someone elses' right to feel like a human being, then you're a miserable excuse for a person, and your "logic" means nothing.

Go the fuck outside and talk to actual, living humans.

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ephetat wrote:

I would let the text in and only remove it if someone objected to it.

The reason for this position is that there is nothing inherently offensive about Firedorn's poem. This is not my privilege speaking. It's this: Up until the point that someone objected to it, there was nothing to suggest that Firedorn's epitaph was out-of-universe. The person who found the poem offensive was also the instrument that brought the poem into the real world. The epitaph tells the story of a character in the Pillars of Eternity universe who has committed suicide because he found out that he had slept with a man. I'm not going to argue the point of how people should or should not be offended by things, but I'm going to say that the act of taking offense warped the entire context of it, it destroyed an aspect of its existence. It couldn't stand, because as Scrotie says, it isn't South Park, and so it does not have the same mindspace, the same resilience. At that point, of course it should be removed -- it's a husk, only serving to allow people to voice how inconceivable it is that people do not find it offensive, a viewpoint that I find to be lacking any sort of nuance.