Dear GGG, are you balancing around the ladder or the content?
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Missed to see this thread, the analyze is still spot on.
Some of the Top 10 from hardcore 1 month are tornado shot and just clear the map in 5 minutes. They don t even care about dangers since they can kite and run around the targets with their AOE. The investment in nods is low and at level 80 they are just as powerful as a level 95+ would be with another build. In past ranged had the disadvantage to be far away from loot, but with the new loot options they just have 0 disadvantages. I hope the new defensive melee skills will be helpful and we could have tanks again in POE. For now the best tank builds are 10 meter away from danger and spread aoe ranged attacks. Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Apr 8, 2015, 4:10:31 AM
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" What in the world? Which one in the top 10 is Tornado shot? None of those classes look like Tornado shot users. |
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" HVR and some of his team were last time I seen his stream. They might have ripped since then? Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Apr 8, 2015, 6:53:02 AM
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" AFAIK hvc is the only player in the HC top 10 who's using Tornado Shot. He respec'ed into it at lvl ~90 when he had enough currency to buy a GG bow. These guys are all level 95+. Of course they clear maps in 5 minutes because they have the longest playtime and therefor the money to get GG gear in a short term league. Please don't complain about something you don't understand. |
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" what a strange mentality, What I don t understand can you explain? " This thread is asking how GGG is balancing the game and I am explaining(qq-ing?) how ranged have it easy compared to melee (an old complain, GGG seem to have taken note), that tornado shot is op and that is why HC players are using it. The fact someone respect to a ranged tornado shot in his late 90 to continue the race is a perfect example of that. For all I know this move alone show how powerful ranged and tornado shot is . If hVR is the last, my bad, but last time I checked a week ago there was more than him using it. Still even if he is NOW the only one it does not exonerate the fact a ranged toon is actually better than melee and that TS skill seem to have been created as a skill to go for 1.3 and that ranged been favored greatly from the tree. Also You don t need a GG bow for the build, you can destroy the game content using tornado shot and a death harp. It is not a matter of currency or long play time, anyone knowing this game actual meta is aware that TS or being ranged in general is actually the way to go for max dps + good survivability (because kiting) . Of course this is an old thread, an old complain and everything have been said about it, but we can still point out those last 1.3 races as examples of all those old complains. Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Apr 8, 2015, 9:54:09 AM
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" Sorry if I sound rude. I didn't want to insult you. All I wanted to say was that if you have a level 95+ character and play on top of the ladder in a short term race you are most likely the player with the most currency available. Which means you can buy the best gear. And with GG gear you can clear end game maps in no time with almost every skill. Ok there are maybe some exceptions (hint at shock nova). There is even a Marauder in the top 10 of the race using cyclone. Afaik hvc did respec because he was bored with his Kinetic Blast build. The funny thing is KB is even stronger than TS. Of course you can clear most of the content with TS and a Death's Harp. But you can also do it with arc in a 4L and a Geofri's Crest. I mean did you play a physical TS build yourself in the past? And did you try to push to level 100, playing 78 maps all day and with just a Death's Harp? I don't think this could be very effective. |
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" No problem, Text format sometime make things sound rash even if they are not :) I have a level 98 and in past I tried to do ladder (quick attempt I admit) I understand Ladder is nowadays (always been) a currency race unfortunately and I have my share of QQ about the abuses of the ladder system on this forum XD. My focus on TS comes from my impression that this skill got pushed on the front light by the devs, that the tree seem to have been made for the skill, not even talking about the Bow crit buff too. Cyclone for example is great but you need a lot of investment in tree and in Gear, TS on it s own can go in high level maps without awesome items. Ts and other ranged skills are just less demanding in tree skill points and gear to be as effective, that is my point of view. In any cases really all ranged builds and skills can be said superior to melee skills in term of clear speed and survivability. Anyway it is an old story (I need to take a break from the forum XD) and I am aware 1.4 is supposed to help melee. Wait and see :) Forum pvp https://www.instagram.com/critterspencils/ Last edited by lolozori#1147 on Apr 8, 2015, 11:34:06 AM
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" I don't know. I don't think it's a "ranged is superior to melee" problem. Newer Skills like TS or KB are just better designed skills. It's just a coincidence that these skills are ranged. Look at Static Strike for example. It's a melee skill and it's ridiculously strong. I made a RT Static Strike Ranger Build with a Doomsower in Torment. It was a joke. The whole build cost me like 20 Chaos. I played almost completely selffound until ~80. And I had 25k dps in a 4l at level 70! A Tornado Shot character is alot more difficult and expensive to build if you want good clear speed imo. You need Crit Uniques (Maligaro's, Rat's Nest) to pull off a decent crit chance (I had ~68% crit without charges if I'm not mistaken in Rampage which is a joke in comparison to Wanders or Dagger builds). If you use these items you need pretty good jewelery to cap your resistances and to meet the strength and intelligent requirements of some important gems. The Crit Buff to bows was important imo to make them viable for a larger player base. Keep im mind that crit bows are slow compared to daggers or wands. A nerf would hit bow users pretty hard. Last edited by dEus__#4586 on Apr 8, 2015, 1:45:15 PM
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"better designed" is not the word i would use ,
better designed would imply that there is less of an imbalance, rather these news skills are just better skills, in fact they are poorly designed there are only two ways right now to balance range, gimp the ever living crap out of its dps proportional to how well it communicates damage or thoroughly brutalize its methods of damage communication. nado shot is an op skill, the ability to function as both single target and multi target with no downside is insane. being able to get pierce for free , is insane. the fact that it can be used with puncture to stack a single target dot on top of a shotgun multi target for even better single target dps is a combination so hilariously good one would be a total moron not to abuse it in a competitive setting. it like lightning arrow before it needs its damage multi cut down by 30% Last edited by Saltychipmunk#1430 on Apr 8, 2015, 2:18:48 PM
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If you gimp the dps of ranged characters than you gimp solo play even more. I would not be interested in playing a build with crap solo clear speed. I would rather play melee if this is the only way to clear high level maps fast until I'm bored and then quit the game forever.
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