Masters remove crafted mod

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Tonnerre wrote:

Ok before start, i would like to stated i have a dreadful handwriting because i don't have many knowledge in english, so sorry for all my spelling mistakes. i tried my best with somes trad tools.

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LSN wrote:

Seems like everyone is narrowminded.

- removing and replacing mods is a big currency sink and another layer of rng

example: guy wants 15% attack speed on his weapon
now: he rolls 12%
then: he rolls 12%, removes, rolls 14%, removes, rolls 11% removes, rolls 12% removes, rolls 13%, removes, rolls 12%, removes, rolls 13%, removes, rolls 11%, removes, rolls 14%, keeps, comes to forums and creates thread about layers upon layer of rng and how much the game sucks.

From the game designers perspective it is very reasonable to make this available late in order to prevent people from having frustrating events as shown in the little example above (and we all know from using chromatics/fusings/jewellers that it can get way worse than that).

Anyway the relevance is little for low to mid tier items. If your one hand sword got 232 dps or 238 dps wont make a difference. It gets more relevant for high tier items tho.

Removing mods is overrated. As some people have stated, in the course of process you will anyway replace old items with new items: you buy a 280 dps sword instead of that 232-238 dps sword.

Therefore this seems to be a bit stupid to me. None of you wants to waste 40 chaos/alch/whatever on a 10-80 chaos item in order to try to get 2-3% increase on average and noone wants to fail doing so while relying on rng. If you wanna max out your high tier item, you can either as well wait until you got it 8 or pay the guys who made it to level 8 within a week of 24/7 master grinding.

There is really no issue with having this only available with level 8 at all. Just a bunch of ppl believe that it would make their life in PoE better. The opposite would be happening on average instead.

On the other hand I agree that leveling masters to 8 can be a life time task which is the total opposite of what chris mentioned in a pre-patch interview: "wont be an endless grind" or smth like that. If you really just play normally and don't exclusively grind masters then it can easily take 4-6 months to get them to level 8 imo. Maybe it would be best to just increase XP gain from quests.

I think moving the removing crafted mod ability from 8 to 7 is an option tho. It should not be available too early for sure.

Bullshit !

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LSN wrote:

It is not bad for the economy. Currency sinks are good for the economy.

It is bad for the player instead. Many players don't think that far ahead and when they spend loads of currency on a mediocre item that they gonna replace 1-2 wees later anyway, this does not increase the funfactor of the game. Instead it would probably increase the bad feelings about gambling and RNG in the game (what masters where originally not designed for - the opposite is true) and create frustration. Those who severely need this option already now will be able to find ways to do it.

Oh, This time, you seem to be really concerned by the the adversity/misfortune to poor casual players... A kind of a new Mahatma gandhi 1.2 with eco views 2014 ....

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LSN wrote:

Imo removing mods (=eternal) is for perfecting gear. There is no reason to perfect mediocre gear and it would be as well a waste of currency.

...This is an elitist behavior. First thats wrong,a no-sense and show how you are blinded.
But at least, your honest sentence clearly show what you think about how should be the economy and players's status in poe game.

Min max the gear with masters craft tool isn't the goal... !!!

You talk about médiocre and perfect gear, and The Mid-game gear...thats doesn't exist? somes of rares i always use
People juste want to add the last +12 light resist to be capped at 75. And if their resist are are yet capped, add somes life/mana/stats if they have the opportunity. And at end be abble to use removal-mod to select fire-res instead of light res master mod because you change one item in your gear or something like this. Not more like this.....(nothing with max roll like you was focus)
[ Edit: exemple of mid-game gear (i use this items always)

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LSN wrote:

On the other hand, there is also no reason to make crafting a no brainer and let people add and remove mods on mediocre items as oftenly as they want. One bad side effect would as well be less utility of several other items that you can find or trade for.



Example:

Lets say you find a 1200 armour shield with good stats for example. You add a 2nd resistance mod as this is what you need. Later on you wanna replace this res with the other res.

What you now gotta do is:
a) think carefully which mod to add to your shield
b) later on if you need another mod on a shield you need to
b1) buy or find a new shield and possibly again think carefully what mod to add
b2) sell your old shield
c) possibly use a lesser item than the one you got as you can add this newly required mod on it

What you then gotta do:
a) not
b) not
c) not

I personally as well would like to have everything available instantly sometimes. But then I start to understand that it does not help the game at all to have immediately one item that you can just switch mods on for any purpose. It would make the game more boring, make new finds less important, make trading obsolete, make any sort of decisionmaking skill obsolete and so on. It is really enough to have this available at the very end. Maybe level 7 masters would be still doing that tho. As well the option to waste countless currency on a single low item is something that some players need to be prevented from doing for their own protection.

So after all, all you guys who want it available from level 1 on (or any other very low level of masters) don't know what you really are requesting. You don't understand that it would make the hunt for new items way more boring and shorten the lifespan of the game as well as the interaction. It would make you complain even more about "can't find any more upgrades" and in the end make PoE more a stupid/mindless grind. Therefore it's the hard reality that you all are chobos. Sorry to say so, but its the truth.

Bullshit again.

When i see your kind of attemp of "demonstration". Thats really remember me the demagogic speech from political-man.



Last thing:

Put removal mod only at lvl 8 + make their cost at 1 Orb of Augmentation is a troll!
POe trolled us hard.They fucked all the master- craft system due to this. Thats break the little fun added by this new way to craft at cheap price.
Removal mod lvl 8 only was the ultimate provocation i tolerate, i have played 2198 hours (90+% of time solo, never buy one rare, execpt fews spécial unique like Doryani's belt/5Llightcoil). I uninstalled the game yesterday night.

Same like my first word, excuse me for poor english writing, i tried my best but i never learn english anguage.