People are going bananas over the ES buffs

Not to mention life can use things like AA, lightning coil, MoM easier than ci and all those things were the fotm last patch.

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KevinLan wrote:

Shock is now 50% so meh
Stun is handled easlier by ~10-20 points or a necklace
Freeze is handled easily by a flask ,ring or boot

it's actually not. it's _only_ handled by a ring.

go into an area with a lot of things which freeze/chill and your flasks will run dry in a hurry.

try catacombs with flasks, and NOT surgeon's flasks, and let me know how itworks.

it works, but it's a royal pain in the ass.

the problem of course is that you tap the flask and can then be frozen again an instant later causing you to consume all your charges very quickly.

Now if you give up es gear for es/armor gear then getting a lv70-74 map worthy gear set is a little easier now. Same with being able to shift to CI earlier. I think they will leave es max on gear the same as before and instead just buff the lower level base items so CI can be done by act 3 normal. Still CI + ZO pushing for high es and regen could net you 1k+ per second es regen. It makes pure es regen more viable as well for fighting things like 78 dominus.


Dem 9 second freezes tho... is why I don't see CI in pvp

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plasticeyes wrote:

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KevinLan wrote:

Shock is now 50% so meh
Stun is handled easlier by ~10-20 points or a necklace
Freeze is handled easily by a flask ,ring or boot

it's actually not. it's _only_ handled by a ring.

go into an area with a lot of things which freeze/chill and your flasks will run dry in a hurry.

try catacombs with flasks, and NOT surgeon's flasks, and let me know how itworks.

it works, but it's a royal pain in the ass.

the problem of course is that you tap the flask and can then be frozen again an instant later causing you to consume all your charges very quickly.

this wont be as bad this patch - most es nodes have also life % on them. planning my CI build i inadvertently picked up 60% life. this coupled with life per level and life from gear (there WILL be some life rolls, lets not pretend that we all run perfect pieces) will bring 'hidden' life values of CI players MUCH higher than pre 1.2

lvl 80: ~1000 (initial 50 + 960 from levels) and lets say 250-300 from other sources including mandatory strength (reduced mana) at 60% == ~2000hp of hidden hp. WAY more than pre 1.2

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LvArchangel wrote:

I don't understand why people care so much about the ES buffs? The ES buffs where needed because CI itself was broken compared to Shavvs low life, so CI needed something to make it viable again. If your low-life you don't have a ton of ES anyway so you won't get a huge ES increase with these new nodes anyway, though you will get some. I think it was mainly aimed at giving ES Fortress builds (CI) a competitive edge against its low-life counterpart. Just my theory

CI was already superior to life pre 1.2. Now its simply insane.

Btw. I am not against the buffs to CI, I am just disapointed that the gap between life and CI now got even bigger.

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candoerfer wrote:

CI was already superior to life pre 1.2. Now its simply insane.

Btw. I am not against the buffs to CI, I am just disapointed that the gap between life and CI now got even bigger.

true. i was amazed at how smoothly the development of my first CI character was.

the 2nd was even easier. think i made the jump to CI act 2 of cruel or something.

looks like you'll be able to do it even sooner now.


just takes planning.

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candoerfer wrote:

CI was already superior to life pre 1.2. Now its simply insane.

I'd disagree with you; Life + (insert AA, EB, MoM, Lightning Coil, Acrobatics etc) certainly holds it's own vs. CI.

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RediusMaximus wrote:

I'd disagree with you; Life + (insert AA, EB, MoM, Lightning Coil, Acrobatics etc) certainly holds it's own vs. CI.

except now it is possible to even make a CI acrobatics build - no shit

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JunKx wrote:

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RediusMaximus wrote:

I'd disagree with you; Life + (insert AA, EB, MoM, Lightning Coil, Acrobatics etc) certainly holds it's own vs. CI.

except now it is possible to even make a CI acrobatics build - no shit

Its possible to make a eb, ci, blood magic char too but whether it makes sense or not is a different story. Cutting your ES and armor in half to dodge attacks less than half the time and spend a bunch of points doing so does not make much sense.

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Splift wrote:

Cutting your ES and armor in half to dodge attacks less than half the time and spend a bunch of points doing so does not make much sense.

yes, it would be stupid, but who cares when you still have 10k ES?

current CI builds already reach ~17k ES when maxing. they'll probably reach over 20k ES with v1.2.
things are gonna get pretty retarded.