Contradictory Mentality with build permanence
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Why the no full respec philosophy for players who make mistakes with their tree citing "build permanence" and "decisions feel like they matter" but then the tree get a full overhaul ever couple months ?
I have several friends who have quit the game because the lack of a cost efficient full or partial respect option. I tell everyone I get to start playing the game "your 1st toon will be a throw away" Its all find and dandy, that's the name of the game and personally I like having a set build. Where I have the issue is the fact that every couple months my build is completely changed. I am happy to reroll and I do very often make new different builds, but it would be nice to have a build you work on gearing and gem lvling still be valid from one day to the next. Sure if you have tons of currency or time on your hands you can fix what the balance changes break but in my case normally I just have a naked or brick mid 80s toon that never gets played again because I worked hard at getting the gear or gems set up so the build works and then it gets changed to the point where I cant fix it without a full overhaul. Leech mechanic is a good example, or spark, or totem, now it will be auras... I don't mind the snapshot changes but I am sure I will have to change my summoner just the same. "Fool me once shame on you" I guess I should get out of my head this build permanence idea that ggg fed me when I started playing and realize when a league dumps you just delete those toons so you don't worry about their validity going forward. This thread has been automatically archived. Replies are disabled.
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" I think your exaggerating a bit. The tree does not get over hauled once every two months. The only times they ever give you a reset is if they make changes to the tree that affects your choices so its the only fair thing to do. Standard Forever
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" His username tells it all.He must hate.Trolls can hate. GGG never told you that your build will be permanent.Infact they are telling you the exact opposite,when game continue to expand,so will the tree.What would be good now,may not be good in future,but what it can be good in future,doesnt presented on current trees. They give you the respec and passive tree reset for areas affected on trees.That means,that if you didnt take a node that is on your build,your build essentialy stays,but if it is changed,then you get what you wanted,a full respec,to reevaluete the new things in the whole process. They change the tree though my little hater,not every 1-2 months,,but every 5 or 6 or so.That is a long time,and changes are good,as it keeps interesting new perspective of things. Cya on expansion Bye bye desync!
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" it isn't always a tree change. I think the 1st time was I had a EB freeze pulser that ran a ton of auras. I play a lot currently but when I don't have a broken arm I am fairly casual, so when they changed auras and I went from 5 to 2 buying all new gear and re lvling gems to compensate was not a option. So then I had a ice spear dual totem and a spark dual totem. 1st they nerfed spar, then they nerfed totems in general. Once again I am not a rich player my tree was set up w/ my gear choices in mind and when the new totems required way more points I was left with a toon that did not function well. Had a rain of arrows ranger, ranger/middle tree got changed, just wasn't the same. Made a life/mana leech dependent lightning arrow ranger, leech got changed, no longer sustainable. Have the token elemental buzzsaw type scion currently since the phys 2hand spec throw I was doing was far inferior. I am sure the aura changes will once again make me scrap the toon. (build of the week just a couple weeks ago made it seem like a safe build to go with LOL) the only build that has always faired well has be my summoner. I understand balancing the game, but its always so damn heavy handed... you can make small balance changes. it doesn't always have to be like "wow something is slightly stronger than something else and is popular... nerf it to shit" Some build will always be slightly better than others and will be popular that how these games are min/maxed to hell. trying to force players to do things a certain way by just changing the game mechanics all the time isn't going to keep a lot of people around for years. it may not be every 2 months but I have been through 5 or 6 major changes to the game in the past 1.5 years, that's like a damn MMO not a arpg... |
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" TBH that's exactly what they had said many many times when asked about respecs... that they don't offer easy respecs because they "want players to think hard about their choices and have a sense of build permanence" contrary to diablo3s model that there is a full respect 1 click away at any time. Last edited by H4T3MONG3R#3676 on Jul 31, 2014, 1:07:15 AM
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" 1 time.Every 6 months.For an old league. And find me the post that they told about permanence of builds,or dont fkin post at all Bye bye desync!
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" I find the current method of handling these changes is fine and continues to retain a sense of build permanence. It's not 100% build permanence and it isn't a Respec Whenever You Want system either, it's a middle ground option that they've gone for. Computer specifications:
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" Dude, chill. Try having a civil debate once in a while. |
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The only problem with this post is the title. I find the critique quite constructive. In fact, it has been my critique for quite some time for standard. Yes, when leagues reset, you get a re-spec option. But taking your character to a high level, gearing your gems to a high level, then re-leveling your gems with a quality bonus, as well as getting the gear that can support your high end build is time intensive. Skills often get introduced, and after leveling them, they get nerfed quite significantly.
While you can re-spec your tree, you don't re-spec your gems and your gear. That option is not available. Quite often, I place some of my higher level characters into retirement out of frustration, after they have been my favorite. Often, a re-balance will come, and that character will once again come into favor. Perhaps I can use similar gear because some things like life, ES, armor, evasion, resists, are always needed even though uniques can vary drastically in their value. So while the counterargument of "GGG never promised us...." may be true, it doesn't undermine the validity of the complaint. Sure, if you play a 4 month league and that is the basis of your judgement, you should be in good shape. That doesn't mean the changes don't frustrate those that have the long term goal to build a powerful character at level 100 in standard. It is quite possible that your favorite character build will fall out of favor, while the gear and gems decline in value significantly. You may feel compelled to play another character. And it may be quite some time before those gems and that gear and that character return to prominence. Last edited by Zindax#3620 on Jul 31, 2014, 1:53:11 AM
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" Sorry,but i cant get my temper down,when the whole discussion is based on false premises. He claimed GGG stated permancy of builds.He claimed that passive tree changes happen every 1 or 2 months.If i am a hyperbolic person,then what is he? If he saw me proof of what he said i right ill congratulate him and praise him like he was kuduku.But he wont.So he must do what i said. Bye bye desync!
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