Trade Hate: Which one takes more skill?

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rrtson wrote:

The only way I would take the poll even slightly seriously is if the votes were from accounts that have been active for at least 4+ months.

A valid point. I tend to agree.

Knowing how to play the market requires way more skill in this game,and gives better results.I have lot's of experience on the game overall as a i have characters level 96,95,91 and 89 among others on this and my other acount(astraph).I know very well how to design a build,how attacks interact etc. but i do not know how to play the market.Unfortunately ultimately all knoqledge besides the economy becomes trivial,since the most important factor of your build being successful is gear.The work i put towards gearinf my 2 main character,took over a year of extensive playing,while others can achieve that level of gear in less than a 4rth month league due to trading.So yeah trading requires more skill in this game,and gives much better results.

I'm not opposed to trading, i just want it to be more accessible while in game.

A auction house would do the same thing as the actual trading system and would take an considerable less amount of time to do trade in game.

SFL is not bad either but it's secondary what i want first is a better balance in the drop chance to get a somewhat good item instead of the actual all or nothing (mostly nothing) in drop which make it near mandatory to do trade.

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rarylith wrote:

I'm not opposed to trading, i just want it to be more accessible while in game.

A auction house would do the same thing and would take an considerable less amount of time to do trade in game.

SFL is not bad either but it's secondary what i want first is a better balance in the drop chance to get a somewhat good item instead of the actual all or nothing (mostly nothing) in drop which make it near mandatory to do trade.

If you truly feel that way, you could come support my thread on that topic: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/982025/page/3/#p8324194

I feel it addresses this problem fairly well.

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rrtson wrote:

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely against SFL, but I'm at least a bit fair about it. If it were my game, and I ran a poll asking about it that returned a 30-50% positive feedback, you bet I would consider it in my best interest to provide it.

The only way I would take the poll even slightly seriously is if the votes were from accounts that have been active for at least 4+ months.

It would be too easy for newer players to complain about drop rates, and falsely assume that a SFL would somehow solving things, when in fact a SFL would probably have the exact same drop rates. Maybe put in big-red letters: "The only thing that will change in a SFL is no trading."

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MierenEronaile wrote:

Go on, list the 30 of you against it.

Go count it yourself. We're not the ones crying for a new league.

Go count it myself?

Ok

Against SFL
rrtson
folderpirate
Chundadragon
Grughal
AlbinosaurusRex
Perq
LSN
oBLACKIECHANo

For SFL

MonopolyLegend
MierenEronaile
Wazz72
Lugrum
iamstryker
Cribstaxx
AnotherJuan

I ignored posts that were not quite clear on their opinion on the SFL matter.

Yea, I can see how there were thirty against it and 5 for it. I can see quite clearly that the againsts outnumber for fors 6 to 1.
Whatever.

I'm not really against it, I just don't think GGG will implement it for various reasons.

- Current rarity of drop rates would exacerbate RNG issues with no method of mitigation.
- Mitigating it by introducing separate rules would drive splits in the community.

It would be cool to see the SFL players compete against each other but I think any SFL league will have serious problems.

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Chundadragon wrote:

I'm not really against it, I just don't think GGG will implement it for various reasons.

- Current rarity of drop rates would exacerbate RNG issues with no method of mitigation.
- Mitigating it by introducing separate rules would drive splits in the community.

It would be cool to see the SFL players compete against each other but I think any SFL league will have serious problems.

Ill leave you on the against list anyway, because even with you there its still basically even /shrug. Unless you specifically want your name removed.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

Go count it myself?

Ok

Against SFL
rrtson
folderpirate
Chundadragon
Grughal
AlbinosaurusRex
Perq
LSN
oBLACKIECHANo

For SFL

MonopolyLegend
MierenEronaile
Wazz72
Lugrum
iamstryker
Cribstaxx
AnotherJuan

I ignored posts that were not quite clear on their opinion on the SFL matter.

Yea, I can see how there were thirty against it and 5 for it. I can see quite clearly that the againsts outnumber for fors 6 to 1.
Whatever.

I had a feeling it would be like this in this thread (because threads often are pretty evenly split), but as I initially said, it's a very small pool. There aren't even 30 names in total, and we (everyone on the list) are an extremely small share of the total player base. I think the poll idea would be a lot more illuminating.

That said, I had a good LOL when I saw the list.

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MierenEronaile wrote:

Go count it myself?

Ok

Funny, because this thread wasn't originally about SFL, but it got derailed by ilks like you. Have fun with a real SFL thread.

But if you're so inclined to see how miniscule of a minority you SFL guys are, go post a SFL vote thread on the Path of Exile reddit. There's 38,000+ subscribed, and always 300+ people on there at a single time. Go see how many upvotes you get.

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rrtson wrote:

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MierenEronaile wrote:

Go count it myself?

Ok

Funny, because this thread wasn't originally about SFL, but it got derailed by ilks like you. Have fun with a real SFL thread.

But if you're so inclined to see how miniscule of a minority you SFL guys are, go post a SFL vote thread on the Path of Exile reddit. There's 30,000 subscribed, and always 300+ people on there at a single time. Go see how many upvotes you get.

I would seriously bust a gut laughing if he did this and the numbers proved overwhelming.