Worried about RMT

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all. Also you are the first person I have seen that has ever made this claim. I am on these forums daily, don't pull shit out of your ass.

Wow fluff daily you say? here is one that you missed:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/945820

Started the thread, others chimed in for and against, along with GGG (obviously against).

I see hard evidence that you are not here daily.

I have not used nor ever will use RMT to purchase currency or items. That said...

Unfortunate as it is, RMT is in important part of the in game economy. I have to assume that at least SOME of the folks I trade alts for exalts with are actually sitting in a third world sweatshop somewhere.

RMT has yet to ruin MY game. I find currency and unique items on what I would assume is an average basis and of course I wish I had more but upping currency drop rates will only raise the price of High-End unique items.

EDIT: I fail to see how other people choose to pay or play their game is relevant to anyone else's game. I dont enjoy the game any less because someone else has a godly weapon.

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Dalnor73 wrote:

EDIT: I fail to see how other people choose to pay or play their game is relevant to anyone else's game. I dont enjoy the game any less because someone else has a godly weapon.

Ignorance is a bliss (not being rude)

Look, to make it real short and simple: RMT makes games WAY less about skill and time invested and more about IRL Money and class. Games suffer from these abrupt and obvious different types of social standards and the advantages or disadvantages that follows when belonging to one of the two ("high class" and "low class").

Take a marathon for example: you train all your life and strive for perfection in order to be the best or one of the best. turns out thousands of others beat you regardless of how well you perform, because they chipp in 200 bucks a month.

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Cergic wrote:

Take a marathon for example: you train all your life and strive for perfection in order to be the best or one of the best. turns out thousands of others beat you regardless of how well you perform, because they chipp in 200 bucks a month.

The marathon analogy would work better if you likened RMT to steroid use :p

Was my point wrong as it pertains to currency exchangers in trade? I would hate to have to keep 100,000 alts around AND find someone who will take them for an item he or she is trying to sell for exalts. I suppose ALL of the currency exchangers could be crafters and speculators, but I doubt it.

I wonder why I have not seen a post where someone cites a specific instance of someone else's use of RMT directly and detrimentally affecting their play. Maybe Im just not looking hard enough.

Once again I do not use RMT nor do I see a situation where I might. Frankly, I cant afford it and it would take away from the satisfaction of getting a really cool rare item drop.

Dalnor, RMT sites employ bots to farm currency and items. The more currency and items on the market the more inflation there will be. Semi rare uniques and lower currencies drop in value while tier 1 uniques, mirror gear, and higher currencies (divines, exalts, eternals, and mirrors) will rise in value.

You mention trading alts to ex, so you do trade, so RMT does effect you.

The reason I find an RMT site owning a top tier mirror item bad is that they could possibly corner the market. They may have much more resources than any one trading oligarch. I hate the possibility of a future PoE where RMT owns the access to tier 1 items whether they be ubers items or mirrored gear.

I fully support people that do RMT. If they are living from selling items and people are buying it for really money, i dont see any problem with it. If someone is stupid enough to buy item in this game for real money, they should do it.

It will fuck up economy? This is a game, and not any game, its arpg game where the most fun thing is getting loot with killing monsters, and because of it economy doesnt add anything to the game. So if the economy will be fucked up faster with people using RMT, than it should, as it will not hurt the game it self.

GGG should not waste money and time on crap like this.

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miljan wrote:

I fully support people that do RMT. If they are living from selling items and people are buying it for really money, i dont see any problem with it. If someone is stupid enough to buy item in this game for real money, they should do it.

It will fuck up economy? This is a game, and not any game, its arpg game where the most fun thing is getting loot with killing monsters, and because of it economy doesnt add anything to the game. So if the economy will be fucked up faster with people using RMT, than it should, as it will not hurt the game it self.

GGG should not waste money and time on crap like this.

The economy is the most important aspect of this game. The developers have said so on multiple occasions, but even if they hadn't it is self evidently true. The game is built around building a character, killing monsters, gathering their drops, and trading what you don't need for the things that you do. The ability to trade for rare items and make new interesting / creative builds is what keeps the game going. If RMT starts to control a large portion of the wealth the subsequent inflation hurts all legit players.

Say you are willing to buy an Alpha's Howl for 3-4 ex but a person who has RMTed some exalts is willing to pay 5-6 ex. Guess what? Their use of RMT has directly effected your ability to get an Alpha's Howl at your expected price.

i remember my first RIP on HC, it was a long time ago, close after open beta release.

I have met like 10 people on HC and played with them hundreds of maps, and then i rip-ed.

And i was like shit, i need to grind orbs now, so i can gear up again, and they were like " wtf man, just sell shit on jsp"

What is that i asked, and i was laughed at. From 10 people i played with, all of them had jsp acc. And that was so long ago, now not just top players have acc there, but most people on hc.

Point is, this game was designed to be RMT paradise, and i dont care whatever others will say, i am 100% sure GGG is profiting with it, directly or indirectly.

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xThreads wrote:

total haul from the one month so far:

2 fusings.
1 jeweler.
1 alc (made via rares)
60 alts (made mainly via rares)
30 chromatics (vendor trawling)


total value?
around 4c.


back to watching TI4 I guess...


I don't want insane drop rates.
I want reasonable crafting.

You have two low level characters, what exactly do you expect?

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

The economy is the most important aspect of this game. The developers have said so on multiple occasions, but even if they hadn't it is self evidently true. The game is built around building a character, killing monsters, gathering their drops, and trading what you don't need for the things that you do. The ability to trade for rare items and make new interesting / creative builds is what keeps the game going. If RMT starts to control a large portion of the wealth the subsequent inflation hurts all legit players.

Say you are willing to buy an Alpha's Howl for 3-4 ex but a person who has RMTed some exalts is willing to pay 5-6 ex. Guess what? Their use of RMT has directly effected your ability to get an Alpha's Howl at your expected price.

Where the hack did you get that its the most important aspect of the game? Everyone knows what is the most important aspect of this game or any other arpg game like diablo and that for sure is not trading.
Trading is one small additional option, it is not a core of games like this, and never can be. So if you want to play the game, you need actual to play it, to farm the game, if you think trading is the core element and are not having fun farming than you my man are playing a wrong game and should look for some trading simulation games.

I dont care if you can not buy some items, because the game is not about that. Farm for it, kill monster to get the item, if you dont have fun killing shit to get shit, than as I said you are probably not for games like this. RMT does not have any effect on you, or anyone else. You will not get worse drops in the game if RMT sell items or whatever someone else does in his game.

So again GGG should not waste time on things that are not that important for the game, and will not have that big effect on playing the game. And if people want to sell and buy things for really money let them do it.