Bino knife too good GGG?

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

I guess Ambush is over , but I'm an ambush player and you couldn't pay me 10 exalts to equip a Bino's. It is used ONLY because it is accessible to poorer players - it is ok for budget flicker as you don't need aps on dagger but pretty much every other top end build demands aps. A midrange crafted dagger (say a moderate 50ish ex to craft in temp league) will greatly outperform it.

Well duh, obviously 50ex dagger will outperform Bino's?

Again, I'm not arguing against there not being better daggers. But saying that Bino's sucks is just plain stupid.

All this time I've argued against Bino's sucking. There are a lot of pure phys builds that use Bino's and don't scale off from ele dmg. That's what I was referring to. Obviously you want a faster dagger when you're doing a Shav + CoE ST -build or whatever.

Bino's would obviously not cost as much as it does if it was shit (I guess this is where our perspectives differ again, in HC leagues 15-20ex is quite a lot but in SC I guess it's easy to obtain. Yet another reason why I'm glad I play HC). Pointless debate is pointless I guess then.

E: corrected some grammar, I'm really tired.

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MIIKKAAA wrote:

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

I guess Ambush is over , but I'm an ambush player and you couldn't pay me 10 exalts to equip a Bino's. It is used ONLY because it is accessible to poorer players - it is ok for budget flicker as you don't need aps on dagger but pretty much every other top end build demands aps. A midrange crafted dagger (say a moderate 50ish ex to craft in temp league) will greatly outperform it.

Well duh, obviously 50ex dagger will outperform Bino's?

Again, I'm not arguing against there being better daggers. But saying that Bino's sucks is just plain stupid.

All this time I've argued against Bino's sucking. There are a lot of pure phys builds that use Bino's and don't scale off from ele dmg. That's what I was referring to. Obviously you want a faster dagger when you're doing a Shav + CoE ST -build or whatever.

Pointless debate is pointless, Bino's would obviously cost as much as it does if it was shit.

The point is that there isn't some gap between binos and mirror +70ex fee that daggers don't exist in. Binos is fine if that's what your budget is limited to but is just one tiny dot on the curve - in the grand scheme of daggers that people bother to use it pretty much sucks.

Tell that to 1h unique swords.

binos is not really good

it is just easy to obtain considering what a ridiculous amount of good stats you need to have to beat a binos
the modpool for daggers is just too huge the probability of getting all those desired stats is so small just check poexyz 250 dps physical dagger the selection is really slim with havocs leading by 200 dps more compared to all others which is sick

bino is solid, holds it's price in a decent range and that is all. Its by no means overpowered. Its just better than most 220-300 pDPS daggers. That is all.

A build that is ok in defense (life, block, armor/ES/eva), does not use CoE or Abysses can achieve 50k ish DPS with it (with hatred), if used in combo with a shield, not more. And that is with pretty good other gear.

The over bloated dps posted in several is due to, party dps bonuses with all auras, max charges, CoE, abyssus or some great WED dps due to conversion.

I would not say it needs to be nerfed at all. Not all uniques should be in the 1 chaos range.

Bino is a perfect unique, its a good dagger but you can find a really really better in rare.
There is no point to nerf it or buff it....

Just another bullshit unique that sets the standards for every rare item. Such a flawed system.

its getting nerfed hard

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JakeAlmighty wrote:

The point is that there isn't some gap between binos and mirror +70ex fee that daggers don't exist in. Binos is fine if that's what your budget is limited to but is just one tiny dot on the curve - in the grand scheme of daggers that people bother to use it pretty much sucks.

Ngl, cheaper than Bino's is a 9 crit, 2 APS ele dagger which far outperforms Bino's with elemental spectral (get with the meta) in every way.

I played alot with it and tried various others daggers for coc st; bino isnt fast but all others mods are good: some rares daggers are better ofc.
Bino is supposed to be tier 2 and Bringer not sure but i think it's 2 too :)