Hatred worth it for summoner? Zombies seem to chill...

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Vipermagi wrote:

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KalHirol wrote:

Dude are u dumb?
Multistrike = hit 3 times with +20% physical damage on level 20.
Run auras = profit.

Yes, and Hatred grants the most Damage per Hit.
It also actually benefits from that 20% Increased Melee Physical Damage.

There is no way that a lower Damage per Hit bonus is ever better. Where Anger adds 200 Damage to each of those three Hits, Hatred adds 300 Damage to each Hit. Hatred is stronger than Anger due to the Zombie's Physical Damage.

Multistrike only further strengthens the lead that Hatred has.

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KalHirol wrote:

Melee physical damage does not trigger burn, and burn is a huge DPS boost, and almost every mob in maps has cold resist, so Hatred is inferior to Anger.

That 5% Crit Chance is really going to turn the tides.

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KalHirol wrote:

And a no point should you pick melee physical damage over minion damage or multi strike.

Minion Damage is mostly inferior all the same. You do know that Minion Damage is additive, and that Melee Phys is a multiplicative modifier, right?
Passives grant 75% Increased Damage, or 105% if you took the Lord of the Dead cluster. I don't like the LotD cluster, so let's take 75% (this is in your favour).
57% Increased Melee Physical Damage from Multistrike.
36% Less Damage from Multistrike.

466-1088 base Damage

466 * (1 + (75/100) + (57/100)) * 0.64 = 466 * 2.32 * 0.64 = 691.9168, rounds to 691 min Damage
1088 * 2.32 * 0.64 = 1615.4624, rounds to 1615 max Damage
691-1615 Damage per Hit

Minion Damage grants 77% Increased Damage.
466 * (1 + (75/100) + (57/100) + (77/100)) * 0.64 = 466 * 3.09 * 0.64 = 921.5616, rounds to 921 min Damage
1088 * 3.09 * 0.64 = 2151.6288, rounds to 2151 max Damage
921-2151 Damage per Hit

Melee Physical Damage grants 49% More Damage
466 * (1 + (75/100) + (57/100)) * 0.64 * 1.49 = 466 * 2.32 * 0.64 * 1.49 = 1030.956, rounds to 1030 min Damage
1088 * 2.32 * 0.64 * 1.49 = 2407.0389, rounds to 2407 max Damage
1030-2407 Damage per Hit


Well look at that. Even if you have low amounts of Increased Damage, Melee Physical wins out! Shit. It's almost as if I already knew this.

Further Increased Damage bonuses, such as Midnight Bargain or what have you, make Melee Physical relatively stronger. And it already beats Minion Damage.

Now, Minion Damage does improve Anger's output, and Melee Phys does not. Of course, Hatred is the better Aura anyways so lol.

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KalHirol wrote:

And Multistrike has no effect on Auras, wtf you talking about.

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Seriously.

Multistrike grants 36% Less Damage. This is a generic Damage multiplier, and as such will apply to all Damage they deal. This includes Damage from Auras, the same as when you link Multistrike to your own Attacks. If you don't believe this, look at your fucking Character sheet.

Multistrike grants 3% Increased Melee Physical Damage per Gem level. Hatred is 'Cold Damage based on Physical Damage', which means the Cold Damage it grants also benefits from multipliers to Physical Damage.
Anger is flat Elemental Damage, and as such does not benefit from Physical Damage bonuses.


I'll be gone for the next couple of days btw.


Alternatively:

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Natharias wrote:

What the fuck is this bullshit?

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KalHirol wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

Dude are u dumb?

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Vipermagi wrote:

I'll be gone for the next couple of days btw.

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Sheriff_K wrote:

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KalHirol wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

Dude are u dumb?

... Did you just call Vipermagi, the most knowledgeable player when it comes to PoE Mechanics, who even I (a very conceited person) respect, "dumb"?! o_0

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Vipermagi wrote:

I'll be gone for the next couple of days btw.

We are doomed... :S


PS. All of these 6L DPS Supports are confusing me; I use 4L Zombies, since the other 2 links are IIQ and IIR.. <_<

PSS. Gulls/Retches are really nice Spectres, especially if you're using Flesh Offering.

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Natharias wrote:

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Sheriff_K wrote:

Vipermagi, the most knowledgeable player when it comes to PoE Mechanics

I wouldn't say Vipermagi is the most knowledgeable person, but I would say he is arguably the most knowledgeable.

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Sheriff_K wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

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Sheriff_K wrote:

Vipermagi, the most knowledgeable player when it comes to PoE Mechanics

I wouldn't say Vipermagi is the most knowledgeable person, but I would say he is arguably the most knowledgeable.

It goes Vipermagi > Sheriff > Mors > Everyone else. ~.^
(For reference. :P)