Spectre VS Zombie. build

So far its looking like Zombies so far outclass spectres in everything.

For instance a level 25 zombie has 4,000+hp base no passives or gems and is achievable easily with a voideye.

a spectre however no matter if its level 30 with every gem in the gem will never comde close to this.



This is what I'm seeing. So can anyone tell me a reason why spectre's would ever be preferred over zombies?



btw im not suggesting zombies are overpowered..just realizing spectre's and by far under powered in terms of stats.

Because they offer utility in the form of defensive mechanics or better aoe, also its not either one or the other you can have both of them

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Zerdius wrote:

Because they offer utility in the form of defensive mechanics or better aoe, also its not either one or the other you can have both of them

I realize this aswell. ^^

but I'm going more for the one over the other. Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

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Tipherith wrote:

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Zerdius wrote:

Because they offer utility in the form of defensive mechanics or better aoe, also its not either one or the other you can have both of them

I realize this aswell. ^^

but I'm going more for the one over the other. Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

Having 3 Bubble guys that 2 shot blues in 78 maps isnt powerfull enough? Hmm ok what about lmp fire curtains that cover the whole room in fire and annihilate everything within a few seconds? Still not enough hmm I think summoner just isn't the spec for you then^^

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Tipherith wrote:

Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

It can be, but it depends on your build, and the specter. The main difference between specters and zombies is that you can choose your specter to suit your needs. A specter can be focused on life or damage, ranged or melee etc. That's a huge advantage in itself.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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Tipherith wrote:

Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

It can be, but it depends on your build, and the specter. The main difference between specters and zombies is that you can choose your specter to suit your needs. A specter can be focused on life or damage, ranged or melee etc. That's a huge advantage in itself.

Yup, you go for zombies for the meatwagon, and you go for spectres for a specific role. Three spectres of the right sort and supported correctly will heavily outdamage 8 zombies, and 3 high level colossal statues will outtank them easily. That's the way I use them in my all-spectre hybrid, I do the bulk of damage myself so I use spectres to tank for me, colossal statues are probably the toughest but the screen shaking is pretty annoying so I often go for small statues or bonestalkers.

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Tipherith wrote:

btw im not suggesting zombies are overpowered..just realizing spectre's and by far under powered in terms of stats.

Zombies are dumb unlike specs

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bo7like wrote:

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Tipherith wrote:

btw im not suggesting zombies are overpowered..just realizing spectre's and by far under powered in terms of stats.

Zombies are dumb unlike specs

They are both dump :P

You can't realy focus one over the other. For both of them you need minion-nodes. So even if you go for spectres you automatically skill also zombies and vice versa. Even if you don't want to use a lot of gems on zombies using them with just minion-life makes them really good meat-shields.

And on an individual level spectres outclass zombies, however you normally can have more zombies than spectres (2 to 8 from the tree). If you go for one of them spectres would really benefit a ranged char, due to evangelist-bubbles, while a melee-char wouldn't really benefit from it (since he is either outside the bubble or the enemies are with him inside the bubble).

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but I'm going more for the one over the other. Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

Considering that... how do you plan to go for one but not the other? I mean it could be a fluff-based choice but from a skilling-perspective it isn't possible.

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raics wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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Tipherith wrote:

Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

It can be, but it depends on your build, and the specter. The main difference between specters and zombies is that you can choose your specter to suit your needs. A specter can be focused on life or damage, ranged or melee etc. That's a huge advantage in itself.

Yup, you go for zombies for the meatwagon, and you go for spectres for a specific role. Three spectres of the right sort and supported correctly will heavily outdamage 8 zombies, and 3 high level colossal statues will outtank them easily. That's the way I use them in my all-spectre hybrid, I do the bulk of damage myself so I use spectres to tank for me, colossal statues are probably the toughest but the screen shaking is pretty annoying so I often go for small statues or bonestalkers.

8 zombies sure. I was thinking more of 23zombies ^^

possible by using spectre raise dead mages that also raise 3 each.

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raics wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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Tipherith wrote:

Shouldn't a spectre be more powerful?

It can be, but it depends on your build, and the specter. The main difference between specters and zombies is that you can choose your specter to suit your needs. A specter can be focused on life or damage, ranged or melee etc. That's a huge advantage in itself.

Yup, you go for zombies for the meatwagon, and you go for spectres for a specific role. Three spectres of the right sort and supported correctly will heavily outdamage 8 zombies, and 3 high level colossal statues will outtank them easily. That's the way I use them in my all-spectre hybrid, I do the bulk of damage myself so I use spectres to tank for me, colossal statues are probably the toughest but the screen shaking is pretty annoying so I often go for small statues or bonestalkers.

I'll make you very happy now:
screen shaking can be turned off in options!

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